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Thread: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excessive?

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What is the point of having a speed limit then ? using your logic, do away with them...if you cant see and understand the difference between a Speed limit set by law and breaking that law by going 20mph over it...then I dont know what to say...
    How many times do I have to repeat myself? My conviction has nothing to do with the right and/or privilege or lack thereof in regards to speeding. REREAD the OP, you'll find it has NOTHING to do with the reasoning or justification behind speeding as a violation of traffic law. In my personal opinion, I would like for some highways (certainly I can't speak for all of them) to emulate the autobahn, but that is not the purpose of this thread. This thread is strictly concerning the excessive and unnecessary high crime punishment for a seemingly common traffic violation.

    I'm for an infraction citation, but certainly not a high crime as detrimental as a misdemeanor.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You were >< this close to being charged with reckless driving. Lucky you. Perhaps if you had been like one of the many thousands of others who are charged with the same crime, you would have voted differently in the poll. Contrary to your statement, I've spoken with numerous people and attorneys who all say the police will often target people with out-of-state license plates. And the officer that cited my wife just a couple weeks ago told us that 20 over the limit is a mandatory reckless. In other words, either that officer lied, or the officer in your scenario broke the rules (or perhaps the mandate was a later provision that occurred after this incident). In any case, had the cop not been such a compassionate guy, you would have faced a dramatically different scenario.
    I was lucky, but by the time they would have sent me the court summons, I would have been in China and would have had to settle it when I returned to the States. I was going to my cousin's to store stuff of mine as I was leaving the country two weeks later... lol... actually, the officer was really nice about it... and no, I was wrong... I shouldn't have been driving that fast and I know it...
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Ya know what? Every time we turn around you're apparently on the verge of being jailed for something.

    If this happens to you a lot, maybe you should consider that it might be YOU and not the law...

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Wow. So many people like that simple sentence. Yet, you just said a misdemeanor charge would be too lenient. The next step is a felony. This reminds me of when another poster on DP (I can't remember his username) argued that those caught texting while driving should spend a night or two in jail. Punishments like that are extremely excessive. Various states have statues or clauses that demand and even mandate a serious consequence for a seemingly minor law violation. Speeding is a perfect example of a seemingly minor law violation. Going 75/55 should not come with a charge of high crime and a night (or weeks) in jail.

    It also reminds of an excessive statute in Oklahoma. Completely unrelated to driving, I read it is a mandatory jail sentence in the state of Oklahoma to possess a mere gram of marijuana. A gram! We don't need harsh, draconian laws like these ones. We have enough unemployed and enough prisoners.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Driving 20 over puts other people's lives at risk. It should most definitely be a misdemeanor. You're being an extremely irresponsible drive if one is going 20 over. It puts other drivers (and yourself) at risk and is dangerous. If anything it should receive a more strict punishment. You have absolutely no right to speed going 20 over and putting others in harms way because you chose to violate the law.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ya know what? Every time we turn around you're apparently on the verge of being jailed for something.

    If this happens to you a lot, maybe you should consider that it might be YOU and not the law...
    Given that I've already said it four times, it was my wife who was cited. So, I resent that statement. I'm actually a very law-abiding citizen. I probably drive more cautiously than you do. The only encounter with the law that I've had was that time the cops pulled me over and arrested me on the SUSPICION that I was high on meth. Even the D.A. thought it was a bogus charge. Other than that, you won't find a single ticket or parking citation on my record.

    With that said, am I not allowed to question some ridiculous law that mandates a high criminal charge for a seemingly common traffic violation? Would you rather have me bow down and accept every law and statute on the books? What kind of democracy would we be if everyone kowtowed to a draconian government?

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was lucky, but by the time they would have sent me the court summons, I would have been in China and would have had to settle it when I returned to the States. I was going to my cousin's to store stuff of mine as I was leaving the country two weeks later... lol... actually, the officer was really nice about it... and no, I was wrong... I shouldn't have been driving that fast and I know it...
    Of course you were wrong. But at best, you deserved a speeding ticket, not a permanent criminal record that would hang over your life forever.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reason so many liked it was because people like the concept of personal responsibility.
    I do more than you, I bet. Given that you've already stated how much you love to use government to get things done, I personally believe individuals should be more responsible for themselves and less dependent on the government.

    However, this thread has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Most Americans are more than willing to accept responsibility for a traffic violation, but we're talking about a single state that decides to punish people for the rest of their lives because they commit one of the most common traffic violations in the country.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Driving 20 over puts other people's lives at risk. It should most definitely be a misdemeanor. You're being an extremely irresponsible drive if one is going 20 over. It puts other drivers (and yourself) at risk and is dangerous. If anything it should receive a more strict punishment. You have absolutely no right to speed going 20 over and putting others in harms way because you chose to violate the law.
    That's what Redress proposed. A more stricter punishment. Maybe both of you don't realize that it is already a CLASS 1 Misdemeanor, the highest class of misdemeanor. The only thing higher is a felony. Is that what you support? A felony charge? A mandatory prison sentence? How ridiculous!

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    That's what Redress proposed. A more stricter punishment. Maybe both of you don't realize that it is already a CLASS 1 Misdemeanor, the highest class of misdemeanor. The only thing higher is a felony. Is that what you support? A felony charge? A mandatory prison sentence? How ridiculous!
    Or we could call the next step a Class 1a misdemeanor, and up the penalties by 50 %.
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