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Thread: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rights?

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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    article 1.
    • all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.they are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
    C - Average

    article 2.
    • everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
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    article 3.
    • everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
    D - Poor

    article 4.
    • no one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
    C - Average

    article 5.
    • no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
    F - Fail

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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Article 1.
    • All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 2.
    • Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    Article 3.
    • Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 4.
    • No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
    Article 5.

    • No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
    The United States is pretty good at Articles I and II...far from perfect, but better than most nations. But the horrid conditions in our prisons (and the tragic injustice of our criminal "justice" system overall) mean that the United States does very poorly on Articles III, IV, and V. In my opinion, this mistake is compounded by the fact that many people view this as hilarious, rather than as a problem that needs to be solved.

    I give the United States an A on the first two, and a D on the last three, for a C overall.
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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Gay rights at the least push it down to a B in my opinion, not to mention the use of "strenuous" torture in extremely very cases, but it has happened.
    Seriously?

    About the only "gay right" that isn't universal is SSM, and SSM is permitted in several states. Based on Massachusetts there aren't really that many gay couples that even want to get married... like less than 1/2 % of the population. Compare that to Iran, where they execute homosexuals, and you really think SSM is such a big huge deal?

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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration
    Don't get sucked in. Does anyone want to bet there is a provision in the declaration that says everyone has a right to all kinds of goodies, and that the rich should pay for them? In this case the rich meaning the United States, of course.

    Pffft. We need to get the United Nations out of the United States. And then we need to get the US out of the UN.

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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Could you be specific as to why? Personally I don't see why you would NOT give America an A, or at least a B.
    Torture, the death penalty, hatred / mistrust of other religions / political parties / races, lack of gay rights,... those are just a few off the top of my head.


    I still think American is among the top human rights advocates, but we still have a long way to go.

    But unlike many American teachers when grading their students, I don't curve grades just because many other countries around the world have worse human rights records.


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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    USA

    We get... half credit for article one. As long as you're white, heterosexual, and at least middle class, this applies to you. The poor, especially blacks, and gays are not treated with the same dignity as others. So, 50% for this one.

    Equal rights? Oops! No credit here. There's on-paper discrimination against gays and a whole lot of discrimination against blacks and latinos that is just practiced unofficially.

    Life, liberty, and security of person? Again, partial credit. A whole lot of our liberties and securities have gone out the window in the last fifty years. But there are plenty of things we do right. It's just that the list keeps shrinking, rather than growing. 8/10

    We do a good job opposing slavery. Full credit.

    We torture. Zero points. There is no partial credit for this one.

    That's a little about 2.4 out of 5. Last I checked, less than half is a failing grade everywhere.

    I think the fact that we can only say "yes" firmly to one of the five criteria shows that we have a lot of work to do if we want to truly recapture the status of being a beacon to the rest of the world. American exceptionalism requires that we actually BE exceptional, not just that we think we are. And I know we have the ability to be great again. That's some American exceptionalism I truly do believe in.
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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    I decided to vote A irregardless.
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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Could you be specific as to why? Personally I don't see why you would NOT give America an A, or at least a B.
    The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world by far, and conditions in American prisons essentially amount to state-sanctioned sexual slavery (most countries don't have tacky "drop the soap" jokes). People in this country are routinely sentenced to prison for years for victimless drug crimes, or for things that they didn't even KNOW were crimes. In most countries, people at least know whether they're doing something that can land them in prison, but that is not always the case here. Our criminal justice system is among the worst in the world...far worse than countries like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.
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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Overall a D for the United States.










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    Re: How does your country stand up on Articles 1-5 of the Universal Dec. of Human Rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world by far, and conditions in American prisons essentially amount to state-sanctioned sexual slavery (most countries don't have tacky "drop the soap" jokes). People in this country are routinely sentenced to prison for years for victimless drug crimes, or for things that they didn't even KNOW were crimes. In most countries, people at least know whether they're doing something that can land them in prison, but that is not always the case here. Our criminal justice system is among the worst in the world...far worse than countries like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.
    I agree with much of what you say, but I don't think our criminal justice system is worse than that of Iran where they stone women to death for adultery and hang people for being homosexual.

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