View Poll Results: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again religion does not have to require the belief in a deity in order for it to be a religion. Specific religions however may require that you actually believe in a deity seeing how religion is a group of people adhering to a certain set of beliefs and practices and the belief of a deity is party of that belief and practices. Some religious do not require the belief in a deity. For example -

    Man made global warming fairy tale religion

    Religious Belief- Humans caused the climate to change and we must do what ever we can to stop this.

    Religious practices- recycling, driving hybrid cars, buying only recycled good or recyclable goods, have rain water collection, solar power, push for carbon credits and anything else done because of your belief in the man made global warming fairy tale.
    You're confused on what religion is. That can be cleared up by a simple dictionary definition:

    Noun: religion
    1. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
    2. An institution to express belief in a divine power

    [WordWeb.info]
    The fact that you think global warming is a religion also shows that you're confused about science and the scientific method. It would be too long and complex to explain here, but here's a start:

    Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    However, your reference to global warming does illustrate how we would be better off without religion. It's clear that religious confusion has made it difficult for some to understand the rational and provable science behind global warming and what we can do about it. As a result, we're much more likely to suffer the severe environmental consequences of global warming thanks in part to people's adherence to religious superstition.

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    A world without any sort of spiritual belief would be imaginary only. If people didn't have religion, they would have faith in other things, whether they be political ideology, science, something else.
    As usual stillballin is the voice of reason....without religion entirely, you would have people blindly following someone or something else which could be far more inheritently evil. Most humans are the flock there are only a few shepherds....

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Religion helps us understand the world around us and impacts our very being with questions larger than ourselves. It can also make us better people.

    Any highly publicized downfall of religion is dwarfed by the beauty it has given man.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You're confused on what religion is. That can be cleared up by a simple dictionary definition:
    Funny how my definitions can be found in real dictionaries.

    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com
    –noun
    1.
    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2.
    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
    : the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3.
    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.





    The proper poll question should have been "would the world be better off without the belief of a deity?" Because I know due to anti-religious bigotry of some atheist this is what they really mean.

    This is a good illustration of a non-deity religious conflict.
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...23/atheist-war






    However, your reference to global warming does illustrate how we would be better off without religion.
    My reference to the Man made global warming movement as a religion shows that religion does not have to involve the belief in a deity. The fact that you choose to believe that climate change is not natural is irrelevant to the fact that man made global warming is a fairy tale.
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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Except it's not a fairy tale and this is a load of horse ****
    You keep telling yourself that. Most people happen to believe that climate change regardless of how minute or severe is something that occurs naturally.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    No.

    Altering the environment to try and defeat human weakness is a waste of time; you'll never be able to order things so that people don't become malcontent troublemakers, because that tendency arises primarily from the inside. Religion is like any of life's experiences; you need to be wary of your motives and their role in the formation of your beliefs and opinions, and actively diminish the influence of selfish and hypocritical impulses in the formation of those opinions.

    As long as you do that, religion isn't a threat to the soul.
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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    I'm not going to answer the poll because you added a lot more than "agree" or "disagree", which substantially changes the meaning of the vote. I think the world would be better off without organized religion as it is currently practiced. However, the world would not be better off without basic human spirituality.

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I understand your current conclusion. Mine comes from thinking that a religion typically does not start with pure motives that are subverted much later; but, rather from leadership wanting to control their group for both the general benefit and for the leadership personal benefit from the beginning.
    But, without religion more people would have to develop a view that has a high level of understanding of how things are and what works for the individual and the group, rather than just doing what the particular book says to.
    It depends on who we're talking about - and how they feel about their faith - I know many people who represent one example or the other - good or bad.

    But all in all - I do, now, honestly believe that for *some* people (how many exactly - I have no clue) but for a portion of religious people -their beliefs are the only thing keeping them from going savage on everyone.

    Unfortunately - there's also a heavy dose of people whose religion or faith is the reason they go savage.

    Good and bad - but without religion those control seeking individuals would just find another means of control - religion is just one vice.
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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Funny how my definitions can be found in real dictionaries.

    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com
    –noun
    1.
    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2.
    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
    : the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3.
    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

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    Thanks for proving my point. Global warming is a scientific theory, not a belief system. No scientist believes in global warming. Nearly all scientists accept it as fact based on empirical evidence. Global warming doesn't meet the WordWeb definition of religion that I quoted nor the dictionary.com one that you quoted. It's a scientific theory backed up by evidence and is supported by near unanimous agreement in the scientific community. It has nothing to do with religion. To find a scientist who doesn't support it, you have to scrape the crackpot barrel, which is exactly what right-wing radio extremists do. Even if somehow 99.99% of scientists somehow got it wrong, they still erred while using the scientific method with observation and experimentation, not the belief in magic. Buddhists still believe in unprovable faith-based items like karma and nirvana.

    You need to learn the difference between belief and knowledge. Belief systems are unprovable and faith-based. Knowledge systems are based on observation and making a reasonable explanation based on provable data.

    Many people, yourself included, can't distinguish between knowledge and belief, and, hence, irrationally dismiss scientific evidence in favor of irrational belief. As a result, governments get paralyzed from taking action that has the chance to prevent catastrophe. Thank you for stepping in and proving my point about how religion causes more harm than good.

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    Re: The world would be better with no religion at all. Agree/disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    The world would be substantially better off if we could shrug off these primitive superstitions.
    Yes. I'm particularly dedicated to stamping out the primitive belief that all men are created equal.

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