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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Then I'm misunderstanding Mistress and Redress, who seem to be saying, "I don't know and I don't care."
    Scroll up to post #42, which I think gives a decent explanation of the differences.

    What is the pertinent difference in "lack of belief" and "disbelief?"
    People who lack belief are generally apathetic and simply don't know or care about the exist of a deity or deities. People who disbelieve will assert that no god exists.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    That I find fascinating. Truly.
    I don't find it all that fascinating, many people are perfectly content going about their own lives without having to worry about a question that can't positively be answered.

    Why do you find it fascinating, Dan?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    And I come at it from a slightly different direction than Redress. It's not that I'm not interested (though nor does it light my fire), it's that I think it's an inherently flawed question with how humanity uses it, and in addition I see absolutely no evidence, and therefore no reason to entertain any known ideas of god.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From my earlier linked source:
    * "Strong Atheist," or "Positive Atheist," or "Hard Atheist" to refer to a person who asserts that no deity exists.

    * "Weak Atheist," "Negative Atheist," "Soft Atheist," "Skeptical Atheist" to refer to a person who simply has no belief in a deity because there are no rational grounds that support his/her/their existence.

    * Peter Berger suggested that the term "methodological atheism" be used to describe theologians and historians who study religion as a human creation without declaring whether individual religious beliefs are actually true.

    * The terms "Noncoherent Atheist" or "Noncoherentism" have been suggested to cover the belief that one cannot have any meaningful discussions about deities, because there exist no coherent definitions of "god."

    * "Apathetic Atheism," or "Apatheism" have been suggested to cover the individual who doesn't really care whether Gods or Goddesses exist. They probably live with the assumption that no deity exists.
    Sectarian atheism! GOD I love intellectuals!

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Sectarian atheism! GOD I love intellectuals!
    These are useful distinctions, Dan. Not all atheists are the same or believe the same things, just as not all Christian denominations adhere to the same doctrines. Atheism is simply an umbrella term that has been used to group people of various and disparate beliefs and lump all of them together.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    So, am I an atheist, agnostic, theist, deist or what? This is important, people... what the hell am I?

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, am I an atheist, agnostic, theist, deist or what? This is important, people... what the hell am I?
    A Kenyan.

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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Then I'm misunderstanding Mistress and Redress, who seem to be saying, "I don't know and I don't care."

    The quote again, with Redress's bold print:



    What is the pertinent difference in "lack of belief" and "disbelief?"
    Not exactly, no. Lack of caring is a byproduct of my atheism, not a part of it. Nor is it that I do not know, it is that I do not have the faith in a god that is a part of being a theist.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't find it all that fascinating, many people are perfectly content going about their own lives without having to worry about a question that can't positively be answered.

    Why do you find it fascinating, Dan?
    No curiosity about a spiritual, metaphysical, plane whatsoever. Everything must be concrete and tangible.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Sectarian atheism! GOD I love intellectuals!
    Everything has multiple layers. If you are trying to compare atheism to religion, please keep in mind there are endless divisions within any philosophical, scientific, etc, concepts as well. This is not unique to religion in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, am I an atheist, agnostic, theist, deist or what? This is important, people... what the hell am I?
    Perhaps a highly stylized version of humanism? I don't know. Up to you.

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