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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Maddy O'Hare and Dickhead Hitchens do not represent most atheists. I am an atheist, and I simply have no faith in a god.
    Hey! I like Christopher! Yeah, he can be a dickhead. . . but such an erudite one!

    Do you then think that a god may exist?

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not sure the two M-W definitions are all that different. I guess it all depends on whether you view "disbelief" as a lack of belief, or as in a positive belief that something doesn't exist. Whatever we call it however, I think there exists an important distinction. Personally I think there should be a better word to describe people who simply lack belief.
    From my earlier linked source:

    * "Strong Atheist," or "Positive Atheist," or "Hard Atheist" to refer to a person who asserts that no deity exists.

    * "Weak Atheist," "Negative Atheist," "Soft Atheist," "Skeptical Atheist" to refer to a person who simply has no belief in a deity because there are no rational grounds that support his/her/their existence.

    * Peter Berger suggested that the term "methodological atheism" be used to describe theologians and historians who study religion as a human creation without declaring whether individual religious beliefs are actually true.

    * The terms "Noncoherent Atheist" or "Noncoherentism" have been suggested to cover the belief that one cannot have any meaningful discussions about deities, because there exist no coherent definitions of "god."

    * "Apathetic Atheism," or "Apatheism" have been suggested to cover the individual who doesn't really care whether Gods or Goddesses exist. They probably live with the assumption that no deity exists.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From my earlier linked source:
    I wouldn't want to be called a "softy." Better come up with a cooler name.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Hey! I like Christopher! Yeah, he can be a dickhead. . . but such an erudite one!

    Do you then think that a god may exist?
    I have no interest in whether a god exists or not.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I wouldn't want to be called a "softy." Better come up with a cooler name.
    You like basketball. Being called a softy is the least of your problems.

    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have no interest in whether a god exists or not.
    You lie. I'm sure you care about this one if she exists:

    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    One is "I don't believe in God/deities." The other is "I believe in NO God." That's quite a substantial difference.
    Then I'm misunderstanding Mistress and Redress, who seem to be saying, "I don't know and I don't care."

    The quote again, with Redress's bold print:

    Most of the North American public define an "Atheist" is a person who believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition. But they may be in the minority. Many, perhaps most, Atheists simply have no belief about deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is simply a lack of belief in any of them.
    What is the pertinent difference in "lack of belief" and "disbelief?"

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    I don't believe in an individual or personal God. I believe god is the collective conscious and subconscious will. It influences us, does not have a will of its own and is created by all entities living and "dead". I believe life and soul = influence, which goes on forever and ever within the aforementioned matrix of collective will. I believe heaven and hell represent possible futures, to which our influence will go; however, we are surely going to heaven (all together, of course, if one follows the described concept). I don't believe in anything supernatural or magical, at all, in any way.


    So, what's that?
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You like basketball. Being called a softy is the least of your problems.

    not my problem. I'm not an atheist
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have no interest in whether a god exists or not.
    That I find fascinating. Truly.

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