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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    If people would read the arguments atheists are posting, they would know the answer.

    The answer, once again, is that you've made a completely false assumption. Atheists do not claim god does not exist. Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief in absence.
    I've not known an atheist who didn't claim flat out in no uncertain terms that that there is no Christian God, anyway. I can't think of a prominent atheist, from O'Hare to Christopher Hitchens, that didn't sneer condescendingly at the very idea.

    But I've not kept up with the atheist circuit in awhile. Maybe their thinkers have grown more docile since I've been away.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I stand corrected.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I've not known an atheist who didn't claim flat out in no uncertain terms that that there is no Christian God, anyway. I can't think of a prominent atheist, from O'Hare to Christopher Hitchens, that didn't sneer condescendingly at the very idea.

    But I've not kept up with the atheist circuit in awhile. Maybe their thinkers have grown more docile since I've been away.
    Maddy O'Hare and Dickhead Hitchens do not represent most atheists. I am an atheist, and I simply have no faith in a god.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think we've been through this before. The dictionary (as well as the etymology) say otherwise. I would characterize the former as simply a "nonbeliever."
    The dictionary includes both definitions. Check it again.

    Atheism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    ...And there has been a recent etymological shift to "anti-theism" for strong atheism to make these two very different arguments more differentiated.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 06-24-11 at 02:07 AM.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most of the North American public define an "Atheist" is a person who believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition. But they may be in the minority. Many, perhaps most, Atheists simply have no belief about deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is simply a lack of belief in any of them.
    A distinction maybe, but what's the difference?
    Last edited by LuckyDan; 06-24-11 at 02:07 AM. Reason: to include quote

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I've not known an atheist who didn't claim flat out in no uncertain terms that that there is no Christian God, anyway. I can't think of a prominent atheist, from O'Hare to Christopher Hitchens, that didn't sneer condescendingly at the very idea.

    But I've not kept up with the atheist circuit in awhile. Maybe their thinkers have grown more docile since I've been away.
    That is true, and a somewhat different concept. Atheism deals with deities as a concept. If you're getting more particular, there is a case to be made that given definitions of a god, their given characteristics, and actions, can indeed be disproven. That can still be in line with atheism as a disbelief in deities, not a denial that any deity exists.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    A distinction maybe, but what's the difference?
    "I don't believe in deities" vs. "I believe there is no deity."

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    A distinction maybe, but what's the difference?
    The difference is I don't say there is no god, I say I have no belief(nor interest) in a god. It's a large, unsubtle difference.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The dictionary includes both definitions. Check it again.

    Atheism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    ...And there has been a recent etymological shift to "anti-theism" for strong atheism to make these two very different arguments more diffrenciated.
    I'm not sure the two M-W definitions are all that different. I guess it all depends on whether you view "disbelief" as a lack of belief, or as in a positive belief that something doesn't exist. Whatever we call it however, I think there exists an important distinction. Personally I think there should be a better word to describe people who simply lack belief.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    A distinction maybe, but what's the difference?
    One is "I don't believe in God/deities." The other is "I believe in NO God." That's quite a substantial difference.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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