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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    But which is most intelligent using the definition I used? Can you explain your position any further?
    I don't think one necessarily has to be unusually intelligent to make a rational conclusion, in this case, one rational conclusion, it's just less likely/more difficult. It depends on what you mean by 'intelligence.'

    Athiesm, as I said, given the availible data, is the most rational position, rather, the only rational position.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I don't think one necessarily has to be unusually intelligent to make a rational conclusion, in this case, one rational conclusion, it's just less likely/more difficult. It depends on what you mean by 'intelligence.'

    Athiesm, as I said, given the availible data, is the most rational position, rather, the only rational position.
    My definition of an intelligent belief/philosophy is one "based in a reasonable application of one's knowledge and understanding of reality". In other words, the philosophy most grounded in the reality of what we know and understand about the universe.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Your subject useage makes this difficult - do you mean what the individual "knows" and understands about reality, or what we as a species know and understand about reality? Very different questions in my mind.

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    My definition of an intelligent belief/philosophy is one "based in a reasonable application of one's knowledge and understanding of reality". In other words, the philosophy most grounded in the reality of what we know and understand about the universe.
    'Intelligence' has more than one definition, however I typically think of it as being the aggregate sum of a person's knowledge, or the rate at which someone is able to process new information. I don't think one would have to be especially quick, or learned to be an Atheist.

    As I said, given what we know, Atheism is the most rational philosophy.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Your subject useage makes this difficult - do you mean what the individual "knows" and understands about reality, or what we as a species know and understand about reality? Very different questions in my mind.
    The latter - what we as a species know about reality (although our perception of what the species knows depends on what we as individuals know about reality).

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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Will you explain your position more? Why do believe that intelligence does not factor into the conclusion one comes to about the existence or non-existence of God/gods/etc.?
    Religion is based around a concept of faith. faith or a lack thereof is completely different from intelligence.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    You cannot prove a negative, and in the absence of any of proof of any kind of divine being, agnosticism is the only rational choice.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    Atheism. Since agnosticism is basically the only other competing idea here, apart from "all equal," I'll address it directly.

    To say agnosticism is the most intelligent stance relies on 2 false ideas.

    1. A generally faulty idea of what atheism is
    2. The false impression that, in terms of what we know, god vs. no god are equal contenders.

    First of all, atheism is not the claim that there is no god - that is anti-theism (and it is not the same as anti-religion). Atheism is a disbelief in deities, since there is no logical reason to think otherwise. So atheism does not exclude the possibility.

    Second, with where the evidence is pointing, if there is some all-powerful thing at work, it is probably nothing like anything humans have ever imagined, and probably not something we would call a "god" with how the term is typically used. Using a traditional definition of a sentient, usually semi-anthropomorphic god, there is absolutely no evidence for that and the idea itself is somewhat fanciful. It doesn't present itself, in the modern era, as a serious idea that can be argued seriously. All such gods can be traced to roots of storytelling and mythology. They are all logically flawed in some very deep way. To present that as being on equal footing with science is ridiculous.

    Agnosticism is more politically correct than intellectually serious, basically.

    Implicit in the above is why I don't think the answer is theism.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    You guys are making the mistake that somehow belief is something that is neither provable nor unprovable somehow is more rational. This is not the case.
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    Re: Atheism, Agnosticism and Theism

    The question and any answers to it are pointless. There are no right or wrong answers here.

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