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Thread: When does self-defence go too far?

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wrong. More and more states are strengthening castle law. Also, how do you know the burglar is unarmed and means you no harm? (other than wanting to steal things you worked hard for...)
    In this case, all 6 were wielding weapons, were known by the vic to be gang-banger whom he owed money, were taking an aggressive posture on his property, and trespassing with clear intent to commit a felony.

    Weapons free.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If someone crashes into your house, armed and looking dangerous, you should have every right to kill them before they kill you. But who has an axe next to their TV?
    I keep two different swords in my bathroom, so that I can reach one while I'm on the toilet and the other while I'm in the shower.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    I am never without my pocket knife, which I can open with either hand. My gf knows which back pocket it is always in, just in case the situation is such that better she draws or if I'm down. Sometimes I get drunk and offer it to someone if they will agree to 'take it outside' (only when I'm without females, of course); that's not a good habit, as I don't really want to kill a bully and who knows they could win. I sleep with my machete (panga) at arms length and with a clean sweep to the room's entry. I note this to some close friends, in case they'd think of playing badguy to be funny.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I keep two different swords in my bathroom, so that I can reach one while I'm on the toilet and the other while I'm in the shower.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Who wants to be Travolta at his end in Pulp Fiction? fwiw, best to piss squating - to be safe and to empty the bladder.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I keep two different swords in my bathroom, so that I can reach one while I'm on the toilet and the other while I'm in the shower.
    good choice-I have a Mike Bell forged Katana as one of the first line weapons. to go along with a 12 bore shotgun and a glock with a flashlight on it in the bed room.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    good choice-I have a Mike Bell forged Katana as one of the first line weapons. to go along with a 12 bore shotgun and a glock with a flashlight on it in the bed room.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    If I get lucky and chop off both his arms then fine, if he is unconscious that dont matter he may wake up.

    My point is **** THEM, now I know the law isnt on my side but you force you way into my house to kill me or my family I dont care about your rights and quite frankly if its me vs them or my family vs them I gladly do everything to end them.

    ANd if Im on a jury I probably never vote guilty
    A few things:

    The central issue of this case is that it's NOT a choice between his life or the life of you or your family. By definition, if the dude's not a threat anymore, that dichotomy is no longer relevant.

    The law would punish you in this situation not because you've violated anyone's rights, but because you've voluntarily chosen to murder someone who is not a threat to you. So the issue is not whether or not you've chosen to value your family over the rights of an intruder, it's whether or not you've murdered someone, and whether or not you had a valid justification for doing so.

    If you're seriously suggesting that it's reasonable to execute an unconscious person because he might wake up, you probably ought to think that through a little bit more. There are any number of things besides murder that would be equally effective in preventing an unconscious person from becoming a threat again (e.g. tying them up, locking them in a closet 'till the cops show up, etc). I'm getting the distinct impression that you're not interested in killing such a person because you actually believe he'd seriously still be a threat at that point, but because you think it's just to kill such a person under any circumstances (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is, in my opinion, an extremely dangerously anti-social (or anti-societal, more precisely) stance to take.

    If you're on a jury, you have a legal obligation to follow the instructions given to you. Since you seem unwilling to do so, my advice to you if you're ever up for jury duty is to tell the attorneys exactly what you just said (that you'd never vote guilty) because that would more or less guarantee that the prosecutor will kick you off the jury.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    A few things:

    The central issue of this case is that it's NOT a choice between his life or the life of you or your family. By definition, if the dude's not a threat anymore, that dichotomy is no longer relevant.

    The law would punish you in this situation not because you've violated anyone's rights, but because you've voluntarily chosen to murder someone who is not a threat to you. So the issue is not whether or not you've chosen to value your family over the rights of an intruder, it's whether or not you've murdered someone, and whether or not you had a valid justification for doing so.

    If you're seriously suggesting that it's reasonable to execute an unconscious person because he might wake up, you probably ought to think that through a little bit more. There are any number of things besides murder that would be equally effective in preventing an unconscious person from becoming a threat again (e.g. tying them up, locking them in a closet 'till the cops show up, etc). I'm getting the distinct impression that you're not interested in killing such a person because you actually believe he'd seriously still be a threat at that point, but because you think it's just to kill such a person under any circumstances (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is, in my opinion, an extremely dangerously anti-social (or anti-societal, more precisely) stance to take.

    If you're on a jury, you have a legal obligation to follow the instructions given to you. Since you seem unwilling to do so, my advice to you if you're ever up for jury duty is to tell the attorneys exactly what you just said (that you'd never vote guilty) because that would more or less guarantee that the prosecutor will kick you off the jury.


    Technically correct... but not nearly as satisfying or decisive as finishing off the wounded.

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