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Thread: When does self-defence go too far?

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    If you're trained and knowledgeable, more power to you. However, I get the impression that a lot of people who contemplate defending themselves with guns tend to create idealized scenarios for how that would work. Actual assaults tend to be a little more complicated and sometimes (maybe mostly) involve aspects that we can't really anticipate or plan for.
    Overstated a bit. I know lots of people with concealed carry permits who seek advanced training; I've trained plenty of them myself, in how to avoid being disarmed, coping with close-quarters assault while armed, etc.

    Jerry is right, though, that a few hours practicing loading and handling, a few sessions at the range, along with a measure of common sense and mature judgement, and you can readily defend yourself with a firearm. It's the only thing that gives 80yo Granny a fighting chance against a young thug.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Overstated a bit. I know lots of people with concealed carry permits who seek advanced training; I've trained plenty of them myself, in how to avoid being disarmed, coping with close-quarters assault while armed, etc.

    Jerry is right, though, that a few hours practicing loading and handling, a few sessions at the range, along with a measure of common sense and mature judgement, and you can readily defend yourself with a firearm. It's the only thing that gives 80yo Granny a fighting chance against a young thug.
    Consider that a large percentage of those that would personally accost someone to commit a crime are unlikely to stand his ground once their life is effectively threatened.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Overstated a bit. I know lots of people with concealed carry permits who seek advanced training; I've trained plenty of them myself, in how to avoid being disarmed, coping with close-quarters assault while armed, etc.

    Jerry is right, though, that a few hours practicing loading and handling, a few sessions at the range, along with a measure of common sense and mature judgement, and you can readily defend yourself with a firearm. It's the only thing that gives 80yo Granny a fighting chance against a young thug.
    true, that's why we call them equalizers.

    now my 13 year old son has a black belt, my wife is close to hers and a 52 year old guy like me could still beat them in a fight in less than a minute. Some mope who just did a nickel at Terra Haute would have no problem with my son's sensei and she's a 5th dan blackbelt who trains every day since she was a little girl in Seoul. But my son with his smith and wesson, or my wife with her SIG 380 is gonna kill most punks-armed or not rather quickly

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    GB. Why am i not surprised? Cant say too much there were a Pharmacist in OKC that got sentenced for killing an armed robber when "reasonable people" decided he was no longer a threat.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, that's why we call them equalizers.

    now my 13 year old son has a black belt, my wife is close to hers and a 52 year old guy like me could still beat them in a fight in less than a minute. Some mope who just did a nickel at Terra Haute would have no problem with my son's sensei and she's a 5th dan blackbelt who trains every day since she was a little girl in Seoul. But my son with his smith and wesson, or my wife with her SIG 380 is gonna kill most punks-armed or not rather quickly
    I didn't realize you were so freaking old.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Back in the early days of IPSC many "standards" had a "weak hand" stage and many people found it was faster to tilt the gun sideways so your dominant eye would line up with the sights (as opposed to shutting your dominant eye and shooting with your weak eye). we also found that shooting weakhand you got a bit more control turning the gun at a 45 degree angle towards the middle of your body. Maybe that is where these mopes got this idea. And yes I hope all the scumbags try to shoot that way when up against the people I have trained
    I think they do it cause it looks gangsta.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think they do it cause it looks gangsta.
    Told my son if I ever saw him shooting like that, I'd break my boot off so far up his rectum he'd be tasting Kiwi Shoe Polish for a year....

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Sure it is. Or at least it might be. For example (and I don't know if something like this happened in this case) what if your attacker is bleeding on the floor from two or three axe wounds, and no longer has full use of his arms? At that point, I think you can reasonably conclude that you're safe. What if the attacker's unconscious?
    If I get lucky and chop off both his arms then fine, if he is unconscious that dont matter he may wake up.

    My point is **** THEM, now I know the law isnt on my side but you force you way into my house to kill me or my family I dont care about your rights and quite frankly if its me vs them or my family vs them I gladly do everything to end them.

    ANd if Im on a jury I probably never vote guilty
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Told my son if I ever saw him shooting like that, I'd break my boot off so far up his rectum he'd be tasting Kiwi Shoe Polish for a year....
    yeah fortunately my son trains with the best so he shoots well. he was creaming some good cops in a drill that involved gun at low ready, three 18" plates at 15 yards. He was using a model 10 to their glocks.

    the local gun club had an event that was 50 feet, 5 small bore BOAR targets and fast time wins. Kids were supposed to shoot only rifle (he was 10 at the time) but the rangemaster allowed him to shoot a red dot 22 pistol. He hosed all 30 adults but me. One guy whined that my son used a red dot so he borrowed a high standard and shot even faster. (I "missed one"-5 second penalty so I came in second) but he beat all the other adults fair. including 7 cops.

    start off practicing good form you get really good fast, and he shoots a pistol at least 3-4 times a month

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I didn't realize you were so freaking old.
    remember what John Wayne said in the cowboys

    I'm thirty years older than you, I had my back broke once, my hip twice, and on my worst day I could beat the hell out of you!

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