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Thread: When does self-defence go too far?

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    I hope we are missing something here that the jury was informed of. As it is stated currently, it is a miscarriage of justice.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    The key point:

    ...Bowmans decision to continue attacking Hall after he ceased to be a threat...
    To make any meaningful assessment of the situation, you need the particulars of this.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The key point:



    To make any meaningful assessment of the situation, you need the particulars of this.
    This still changes nothing for me.
    If he is in my house he is a threat. He showed up with intent to kill me and beat me to death as far as Im concerned and its not my job to "go easy" because he is LOSING and getting his ass kicked after trying to kill me.

    Now if I chased him down the street two blocks and buried my AXE in the back of his head 4 times OK, but as long as he is in my house he can not be trusted and my life is in danger IMO.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    This whole story is whacked and the writing in the article is atrocious...what do they do...have 9th graders proofread their articles???

    This whole thing reads like a bad Monty Python skit. Honestly, I'm surprised on of the intruderwasn'tnt carrying a live badger. So...to the question...it depends on the circumstances...doesnt it? If dood knocked everyone down...everyone that could had retreated, then walked over to first dood and said "here beeyatch" and whacked him in the head while he was down for the count already, then conviction is probably appropriate. If it was in the mle phase, then he should be given a medal and the others should be given an additional 5 years just for being stupid.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    This still changes nothing for me.
    If he is in my house he is a threat.
    Not if, say, he is on the floor, unconscious due to blood loss and shock.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Not if, say, he is on the floor, unconscious due to blood loss and shock.
    Im not a doctor does that mean while im dialing 911 he wont wake up and proceed to kill me again?
    I mean if I had a gun I could just aim at him thats one thing, but with my axe if he gets up I could miss then its me who dies.

    again IMO if he showed up at my house to kill me I deem him a threat until he stops twitching
    Theres no logical reason to trust him when my means of protection isnt so full proof (an ax)
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Self defense goes too far in a lot of cases. In this one, I really don't think it did. But when, for example, you have an unarmed burglar who posed no threat to the resident entering a house being shot and killed, that is simply too far. Most states now have amended castle doctrines to allow manslaughter charges for people who go too far in self defense.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Self defense goes too far in a lot of cases. In this one, I really don't think it did. But when, for example, you have an unarmed burglar who posed no threat to the resident entering a house being shot and killed, that is simply too far. Most states now have amended castle doctrines to allow manslaughter charges for people who go too far in self defense.
    I disagree with this, who determines he is no threat and how?
    Should I ask?

    What if I come out my bedroom at the end of the hall, the perp sees me and runs
    BUT 2/3rds down the hall way is my daughters room, how do I know he wont go in there and try to kid nap her? use her for a shield? threaten her life or simply run her over because she decided to come out of her room also?

    The point with saying no threat is that it is asking a person to make a GUESS in a situation that is highly emotional, full of fear and full of unknowns.

    Its an almost impossible task in some cases.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I disagree with this, who determines he is no threat and how?
    Should I ask?

    What if I come out my bedroom at the end of the hall, the perp sees me and runs
    BUT 2/3rds down the hall way is my daughters room, how do I know he wont go in there and try to kid nap her? use her for a shield? threaten her life or simply run her over because she decided to come out of her room also?

    The point with saying no threat is that it is asking a person to make a GUESS in a situation that is highly emotional, full of fear and full of unknowns.

    Its an almost impossible task in some cases.
    That's a good point, but still, most states have amended their castle doctrines to include provisions against excessive force. Once the shooting is investigated, and they determine that you did not first instruct the burglar to freeze or just exit your home, and you just fired on the guy when he came in your window, then you will be charged. Check out castle doctrine on wiki or some other site for more details.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That's a good point, but still, most states have amended their castle doctrines to include provisions against excessive force. Once the shooting is investigated, and they determine that you did not first instruct the burglar to freeze or just exit your home, and you just fired on the guy when he came in your window, then you will be charged. Check out castle doctrine on wiki or some other site for more details.
    Oh let me be clear, Im not doubting you on what the laws says, the law does say STUPID stuff in my opinion. Im saying the law is wrong because it demands a decision to be made where one most times logically can not and the gamble is my life and my families life.

    Sorry government Im always betting on ME
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