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Thread: When does self-defence go too far?

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This is silly. People come into the man's house, he defends it, and he's punished for it? Bad form.
    Yes, -30 points for the judge.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    I say that he is completely innocent and within his rights to defend himself against armed men using an ax. They trespassed into his home with weapons and began fighting. It would be a massive injustice for punishing this man due to the fact that he wasn't going to let armed trespassers murder him. This is simply insane.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    This is bull ****, the judge and jury should be ashamed of themselves unless there something Im missing something. A gang froces their way into my home with weapons. I immediately consider my life in danger and them to be crazy. They can no longer be trusted and as long as they are in my home they are a threat and I dont stop and until their bodies stop twitching.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Just from what I read, this is a travesty. How can any juror pass such judgement? I'm sure it is easy to sit comfortably in a seat and talk about what should have been done, but when you are spontaneously attacked by six strangers things aren't going to go perfectly. The man defended himself, and nothing I read suggests otherwise.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    I can't even fathom this scenario. Living where I do, I can shoot to kill any person who poses an imminent threat to me in my home. Unless the douche is shot in the back, I'm pretty much safe from criminal and civil suits regarding his death. Imminent threat also doesn't mean the guy must have a visible weapon (or any weapon at all).
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Here's a story making local headlines in my region.


    Personally, I think 6 guys going round to another man's house get what they deserve if they underestimate the victim's ability to defend himself and I also think the 5 year jail sentence served on Bowman was a joke.
    He got 5 years for that!? I mean, I know people want to bitch about the US and the problems we have...but we don't give people 5 years for defending themselves. That's ****ed up.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    his mistake was having an axe and allowing the intruder to survive to subsequently bring a suit as an aggrieved party
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Like everyone else here, I'm aghast! When faced with six people, the guy would have to had summoned untold strength...something...in defending himself. Anger. That's it, and once they were subdued, how does anyone turn that off? I saw nothing in the two articles to suggest the circumstances were other than how he presented it. The laws in the UK would seem to be a bit different from here.

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    IC, I have a few questions.

    Why didn't they other five idiots just run when he axed his first victim?

    I think that's when self-defence goes too far...when it ceases to be defensive and you are attacking/pursuing someone who is trying to escape.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    IC, I have a few questions.

    Why didn't they other five idiots just run when he axed his first victim?

    I think that's when self-defence goes too far...when it ceases to be defensive and you are attacking/pursuing someone who is trying to escape.
    Dammit you turned me into a Brit...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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