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Thread: When does self-defence go too far?

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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Here's a story making local headlines in my region.


    Personally, I think 6 guys going round to another man's house get what they deserve if they underestimate the victim's ability to defend himself and I also think the 5 year jail sentence served on Bowman was a joke.
    I agree 100%. Anyone who breaks into someone else's house, especially while armed, should expect that person to defend themselves by any means necessary.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    A few things:

    The central issue of this case is that it's NOT a choice between his life or the life of you or your family. By definition, if the dude's not a threat anymore, that dichotomy is no longer relevant.

    The law would punish you in this situation not because you've violated anyone's rights, but because you've voluntarily chosen to murder someone who is not a threat to you. So the issue is not whether or not you've chosen to value your family over the rights of an intruder, it's whether or not you've murdered someone, and whether or not you had a valid justification for doing so.

    If you're seriously suggesting that it's reasonable to execute an unconscious person because he might wake up, you probably ought to think that through a little bit more. There are any number of things besides murder that would be equally effective in preventing an unconscious person from becoming a threat again (e.g. tying them up, locking them in a closet 'till the cops show up, etc). I'm getting the distinct impression that you're not interested in killing such a person because you actually believe he'd seriously still be a threat at that point, but because you think it's just to kill such a person under any circumstances (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is, in my opinion, an extremely dangerously anti-social (or anti-societal, more precisely) stance to take.

    If you're on a jury, you have a legal obligation to follow the instructions given to you. Since you seem unwilling to do so, my advice to you if you're ever up for jury duty is to tell the attorneys exactly what you just said (that you'd never vote guilty) because that would more or less guarantee that the prosecutor will kick you off the jury.
    ANd I will always ask the same question whi gets to determine who is a threat, my whole point is its not defined, a different 12 people might rule it different.

    secondly dont get your panties in a bunch, I dont WANT to kill anybody LMAO

    Im saying if somebody breaks into my house with the clear intent to KILL ME I dont care about thier rights and YES I know the law isnt on my side but I think the law is wrong.

    You said I should tie him up or lock him in a closet etc. **** THAT!!!
    what if while im tying him up he wakes up and kills me, what if while draggin him to the closet he wakes up and kills me

    His intent is to kill me, ME PERSONALLY while he is in my home I will continue to view him as a threat and I will not stop until he is dead IF I only had knives and sticks and axes etc.

    There is no possible LOGIC you could give me to take that risk for me or my family. AGain I know the law is not on my side Im just telling you what I would do.

    Now I dont have to worry because I have a gun and a CWP so I would be fine if he was wounded holding a gun at him and then calling the cops but it wont go down that way. I will shoot him in the head.

    If I was on a jury I wouldnt be doing anything wrong because its my job to enforce the law and theres very little you could say to me to logically make me believe there is no longer a threat in a case like THIS.

    Others, yes of course, 6 guys in the house with plans to kill you, sorry about their luck.
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Technically correct... but not nearly as satisfying or decisive as finishing off the wounded.
    and I agree
    the issue is that in this thread I have made it clear I dont care about technically
    I think the law is wrong in this case or should have more room to work.

    by the way that poster probably thinks you are "anti-social" now LOL
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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    and I agree
    the issue is that in this thread I have made it clear I dont care about technically
    I think the law is wrong in this case or should have more room to work.

    by the way that poster probably thinks you are "anti-social" now LOL


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    Re: When does self-defence go too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
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