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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem of course is not necessarily the attack but HOW the attacks are done. One can attack and still have a positive campaign.

    Point out issues and differences in approach and give your own view on it. Compared how policies doen by one has failed and comparitively how the policy done by another has suceeded. Talk in more generalities when speaking about negatives, and keep it issue focused rather than veering off into either more personal or barely relevant things (like the birther issue) or into huge hyperbole (Will destroy our country, hates grandma, etc etc). And overall be positive in your message, positive of what America can be, of what America is, of the people. Make it out that your platform and agenda is going to fix things and make things better RATHER than focusing primarily that the opponents platform and agenda have made things worse. People know and realize things are bad, you don't have to retell them that. They will respond much better to you telling them it can get better rather than reminding them directly that its bad.

    If you're an aquantince and I'm offering you a job, and I know you're being paid jack crap in your current job and its not helping you get your debt paid off I could go one of two ways (or a mix of both I guess). I could remind you that your current job is paying you crap and you're going more in debt and you should come work with me instead. OR I could tell you that you'll be making more with me and before long the extra money will help you get out of debt.

    In one case, peoples natural reactions to become defensive of what is the norm comes into play. The natural reaction to immedietely see you as a critical and negative person also comes up. You also immediete put the individual into a negative frame of mind reminding them of their problems.

    In the other case, a persons natural reaction to better themselves is brought more into play. You're more likely to be seen as a generous and likable person. You immedietely put that individual into a more positive frame of mind thinking about how much better things could be.

    In both instances, you're attacking their old job. It just happens in one case you're doing it in a directly negative way by specifically mentioning that the job pays like **** and is leading to them being in debt. In the other case you're doing it in an indirect way by playing on the fact that the individual KNOWS they're being paid crappy already and implying you're better than that other job because you'll pay them better.

    One can run a POSITIVE campaign while still going on the offensive. A positive campaign does not have to mean an attackless campaign. Indeed, its not just unwinnable...its almost impossible to run a political campaign against someone without identifying how you're different and why you're better, which is indirectly implying that the other person is bad (or at worst, worse than you).
    I agree with all of this and I agree it is important how one attacks. I didnt mean to imply that ANY attacks make a campaign unwinnable if anyone thought I did. But to stay on topic IMO Cain and Michelle have yet to show how to properly do so. IMO they show the exact opposite and not just a little but 180 degrees off..

    Also on a side note I dont think the birth issue is a small thing, I think it can tie directly to the core of ones ability to rationalize. In this case this shows a huge large gaping hole that is present in Michelle's. Now is that true for everything she does, of course not, it would be ignorant to suggest that but to be that void in rational on such a proven matter does make me wonder about anything she thinks on. How couldnt it?
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    I mean a candidate going up against obama should not be trying to bring into question his birth or questioning why it "took him so long" to present it.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I mean a candidate going up against obama should not be trying to bring into question his birth or questioning why it "took him so long" to present it.
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    I thought Romney was solidly in front...

    Either way, Bachmann is a nut. Zealots aren't good for anyone, on either side. Actual leadership is about compromise, not about stonewalling the opposition. No one should be elected to an important office who does not grasp this.
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I thought Romney was solidly in front...

    Either way, Bachmann is a nut. Zealots aren't good for anyone, on either side. Actual leadership is about compromise, not about stonewalling the opposition. No one should be elected to an important office who does not grasp this.
    Well, I'm reading more and more that Romney might have a problem in that about 20% of the Republicans won't vote for a Mormon. And, some of the Liberal pundits are saying that despite her unorthodox perspectives (Tea-ism) that people are just angry enough at the status quo to make serious consideration of her.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, I'm reading more and more that Romney might have a problem in that about 20% of the Republicans won't vote for a Mormon. And, some of the Liberal pundits are saying that despite her unorthodox perspectives (Tea-ism) that people are just angry enough at the status quo to make serious consideration of her.
    Why on earth would Republicans hold a Mormon’s religion against him? Aren’t they Republicans? That’s like holding a person’s race against him. And “people are just angry enough at the status quo to make serious consideration of her”; great, that just might be enough to get her nominated. This is too easy.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Welcome to the board.

    Care to be more specific?
    Sure. I think she is the Tea Party personified, and the Tea Party now calls all of the shots in the Republican Party. There is no such thing as a Republican moderate, with the possible exception of the two senators from Maine. Everyone in the party is either Right or Hard Right. I think Michelle is the perfect symbol, both in philosophy about Government and in her general dislike and disregard for historical accuracy.

    Thanks for the welcome, by the way. This looks like a fun board.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Why on earth would Republicans hold a Mormon’s religion against him? Aren’t they Republicans? That’s like holding a person’s race against him. And “people are just angry enough at the status quo to make serious consideration of her”; great, that just might be enough to get her nominated. This is too easy.
    Many Christian Fundamentalists, especially southern baptists, consider mormonism to be a cult.

    Mormonism may sour Romney for some in Christian right

    Since Christian fundamentalists comprise a significant part of the Republican base, it does not bode well for Romney - or probably Huntsman.
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Michele Bachmann will come into her own when she is in a team, such as her and Sarah Palin with Michele Bachmann in the back seat.

    Sarah Palin seems fearless when it comes to the press attacks which have been relentless for two years.

    The backlash from the Email debacle will make a great story to show how capable Sarah is, and her experience and time in office just adds to Obama's image of an amateur.
    The only thing better for me than Half-Governor Palin running would be if she and Michelle ran together as an item. God, the clash of egos would be worth the price of admission. Plus we'd double our chances for absolutely insane comments and historical inaccuracies! Please make it so!

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    You wouldn't because you are a liberal. She is always talking about making America better. Did you watch the debate?
    If she wasn't promoting things like constitutional amendments to make gay marriage permanently illegal people, a lot of liberals wouldn't have a problem with her. That's the problem with the right, they act as if they want to support freedom but then purpose things like that, which make them nothing more than corporate shrills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I mean a candidate going up against obama should not be trying to bring into question his birth or questioning why it "took him so long" to present it.
    Or ask why he isn't republican, or call him a socialist, a communist, a tyrant, etc. But rest ashured, if a social right decide the candidate, the republicans won't stand a chance unless the economy tanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, I'm reading more and more that Romney might have a problem in that about 20% of the Republicans won't vote for a Mormon. And, some of the Liberal pundits are saying that despite her unorthodox perspectives (Tea-ism) that people are just angry enough at the status quo to make serious consideration of her.
    TEAist talking points aren't her problem, its her social/civil rights view. True TEA people are staunchly libertarian leaning.
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