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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Reagan went after Carter but he also had an uplifting, positive message and a vision for America's future. I have yet to see anything positive or inspiring about Bachmann's message, in fact just the opposite.
    You wouldn't because you are a liberal. She is always talking about making America better. Did you watch the debate?
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    People are fed up with Obama. They want an anti-Obama candidate. Nobody cares about civility.

    Nobody wants a moderate Republican.

    This election will be a referendum on Obama so attacking is the only way to go. Reagan went after Carter and the people loved it.

    When it comes down to it people will vote for someone they can trust/relate to. It won't be Obama because his cover had been blown.
    I know nobody like this in real life. Not saying they dont exist just saying.
    Everyone I know dem, rep, ind wants a candidate that has IDEAS not just attacking and not just talking points and they all want civility if the other option is moronic blind bias attacking.

    Attacking will fail and cause Obama to win, just like blind attacking and no substance cause Bush jr to get his second term.

    I made a bet with Babrtx that Cain will never be president Ill gladly make the same bet with you about cain and michelle
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I know nobody like this in real life. Not saying they dont exist just saying.
    Everyone I know dem, rep, ind wants a candidate that has IDEAS not just attacking and not just talking points and they all want civility if the other option is moronic blind bias attacking.

    Attacking will fail and cause Obama to win, just like blind attacking and no substance cause Bush jr to get his second term.

    I made a bet with Babrtx that Cain will never be president Ill gladly make the same bet with you about cain and michelle
    You don't look for substance which is why you don't see it. You focus on seeing how often they are attacking. They all have plenty of substance and give Obama his shots when he deserves them.

    Bush Jr. won again because Kerry was about as exciting as a puddle of mud.

    I don't make bets, but Cain is who I will be supporting. Will he win? Who knows he has a shot.
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    You wouldn't because you are a liberal. She is always talking about making America better. Did you watch the debate?
    Not all liberals are close-minded hacks. Perhaps I need to change my lean as 'slightly liberal' because I am always approached by those who are 'conservative' or 'very conservative' as being a blind partisan who can never see the other side, which simply is not the case. I just in that very post acknowledged that Ronald Reagan had a positive message, which was a large part of why he was able to look so attractive to independents and even Democrats. Obama had a very similar sort of appeal in 2008, like it or not. Currently, Jon Huntsman does as well - I know it's not resonating with folks like you because you'll never be able to look past his stances on, say, civil unions and cap and trade. But the fact of the matter is that, policy aside, he is sitting there advocating civility in our debate and a positive way forward for our country. As opposed to Gingrich and Bachmann and even Pawlenty who are nothing but doom and gloom and depression. Bachmann is barely a step above a bomb thrower like Hannity or Coulter. She does nothing but rail against government and everything it does and everyone in opposition to her as if they are enemies out to ruin America and piss all over everyone's liberties. That may rile up the base who hate Democrats and will always hate them. But it will do little to appeal to the moderates and independents she will need to win over if she's going to win a general election.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    You wouldn't because you are a liberal. She is always talking about making America better. Did you watch the debate?
    this is what i mean, you just made a blanket statement about liberals, america doesnt want this stuff and if cain and michelle do this (they already do) they will fail

    then you just made an empty statement that "she talks about making america better" dont all candidates.

    again not attacking just saying america wants substance
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    You don't look for substance which is why you don't see it. You focus on seeing how often they are attacking. They all have plenty of substance and give Obama his shots when he deserves them.

    Bush Jr. won again because Kerry was about as exciting as a puddle of mud.

    I don't make bets, but Cain is who I will be supporting. Will he win? Who knows he has a shot.
    See this is what unobjective people do and why cain and michelle will fail.

    I just gave them credit for how they MIGHT lead but said they cant win on their running style so I CLEARLY didnt say they have no substance personally I said they will be judged on how they run.

    but since I said stuff you didnt like you just knee jerked ignored everything else and accused me of not looking for substance LMAO thats brilliant.

    Never mind I see what I am dealing with now, I wanted an objective conversation.
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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    This election will be a referendum on Obama so attacking is the only way to go. Reagan went after Carter and the people loved it.
    The problem of course is not necessarily the attack but HOW the attacks are done. One can attack and still have a positive campaign.

    Point out issues and differences in approach and give your own view on it. Compared how policies doen by one has failed and comparitively how the policy done by another has suceeded. Talk in more generalities when speaking about negatives, and keep it issue focused rather than veering off into either more personal or barely relevant things (like the birther issue) or into huge hyperbole (Will destroy our country, hates grandma, etc etc). And overall be positive in your message, positive of what America can be, of what America is, of the people. Make it out that your platform and agenda is going to fix things and make things better RATHER than focusing primarily that the opponents platform and agenda have made things worse. People know and realize things are bad, you don't have to retell them that. They will respond much better to you telling them it can get better rather than reminding them directly that its bad.

    If you're an aquantince and I'm offering you a job, and I know you're being paid jack crap in your current job and its not helping you get your debt paid off I could go one of two ways (or a mix of both I guess). I could remind you that your current job is paying you crap and you're going more in debt and you should come work with me instead. OR I could tell you that you'll be making more with me and before long the extra money will help you get out of debt.

    In one case, peoples natural reactions to become defensive of what is the norm comes into play. The natural reaction to immedietely see you as a critical and negative person also comes up. You also immediete put the individual into a negative frame of mind reminding them of their problems.

    In the other case, a persons natural reaction to better themselves is brought more into play. You're more likely to be seen as a generous and likable person. You immedietely put that individual into a more positive frame of mind thinking about how much better things could be.

    In both instances, you're attacking their old job. It just happens in one case you're doing it in a directly negative way by specifically mentioning that the job pays like **** and is leading to them being in debt. In the other case you're doing it in an indirect way by playing on the fact that the individual KNOWS they're being paid crappy already and implying you're better than that other job because you'll pay them better.

    One can run a POSITIVE campaign while still going on the offensive. A positive campaign does not have to mean an attackless campaign. Indeed, its not just unwinnable...its almost impossible to run a political campaign against someone without identifying how you're different and why you're better, which is indirectly implying that the other person is bad (or at worst, worse than you).

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem of course is not necessarily the attack but HOW the attacks are done. One can attack and still have a positive campaign.
    I strongly agree. The following excerpts from Ronald Reagan's announcement of his Presidential candidacy in 1979 offers a vivid illustration:

    There are those in our land today, however, who would have us believe that the United States, like other great civilizations of the past, has reached the zenith of its power; that we are weak and fearful, reduced to bickering with each other and no longer possessed of the will to cope with our problems.

    Much of this talk has come from leaders who claim that our problems are too difficult to handle. We are supposed to meekly accept their failures as the most which humanly can be done. They tell us we must learn to live with less, and teach our children that their lives will be less full and prosperous than ours have been; that the America of the coming years will be a place where – because of our past excesses – it will be impossible to dream and make those dreams come true.

    I don’t believe that. And, I don’t believe you do either. That is why I am seeking the presidency...

    The crisis we face is not the result of any failure of the American spirit; it is a failure of our leaders to establish rational goals and give our people something to order their lives by. If I am elected, I shall regard my election as proof that the people of the United States have decided to set a new agenda and have recognized that the human spirit thrives best when goals are set and progress can be measured in their achievement.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Not all liberals are close-minded hacks. Perhaps I need to change my lean as 'slightly liberal' because I am always approached by those who are 'conservative' or 'very conservative' as being a blind partisan who can never see the other side, which simply is not the case. I just in that very post acknowledged that Ronald Reagan had a positive message, which was a large part of why he was able to look so attractive to independents and even Democrats. Obama had a very similar sort of appeal in 2008, like it or not. Currently, Jon Huntsman does as well - I know it's not resonating with folks like you because you'll never be able to look past his stances on, say, civil unions and cap and trade. But the fact of the matter is that, policy aside, he is sitting there advocating civility in our debate and a positive way forward for our country. As opposed to Gingrich and Bachmann and even Pawlenty who are nothing but doom and gloom and depression. Bachmann is barely a step above a bomb thrower like Hannity or Coulter. She does nothing but rail against government and everything it does and everyone in opposition to her as if they are enemies out to ruin America and piss all over everyone's liberties. That may rile up the base who hate Democrats and will always hate them. But it will do little to appeal to the moderates and independents she will need to win over if she's going to win a general election.
    Don't bother. I switched to 'mind your own business' and the crap continues.

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    Re: Will Michele Bachmann Win The GOP Nominiation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    People are fed up with Obama. They want an anti-Obama candidate. Nobody cares about civility.

    Nobody wants a moderate Republican.

    This election will be a referendum on Obama so attacking is the only way to go. Reagan went after Carter and the people loved it.

    When it comes down to it people will vote for someone they can trust/relate to. It won't be Obama because his cover had been blown.
    Yes, right on. Bigfoot88 opinion is exactly why I want Bachman to run as a Republican, i.e. I donít like any of their other candidates as well as Obama.

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