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    Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

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    Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring of 2011?

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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    I mean maybe, but there was a definite lag between democracy in Iraq and everywhere. So, I do not really know.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    No. When it comes to the actions of the protesters in Tunisia, I highly doubt that they took the events going on in Iraq more into account than the events that were going on in their own country. The Arab Spring was pretty much spontaneous. I believe there was a domino effect, but it started in Tunisia, not Iraq.

    I believe that both people who say that Bush destabilized the region by going into Iraq, and people who say that Iraqi elections inspired the Arab Spring, are incorrect. Social unrest, being fed up with dictatorships, food prices going through the roof, high unemployment, the use of social media, all of these factors contributed way more to the bubble bursting than what was happening in Iraq.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    There were groups in Tunisia working on creating a movement similar to the Rose revolution, the Orange revolution in that country (funded by the same groups NED and Open Society Institute). What they were lacking was the spark to create a mass movement in which the the movement could operate within. That spark was the self immolation of a street vendor and the poor economic conditions within Tunisia for a large segment of the population. The lack of a strong crackdown on the protestors in Tunisia most likely inspired the other movements in the other countries.

    I strongly doubt that most Arab in the countries experiencing an arab spring would have wanted to go the route of Iraq. Massive invasion, creating in effect a civil war and the deaths of tens of thousands, the creation of 4 million refugees to become a democratic state.

    So no Iraq was not in my opinion the inspiration. The inspiration would have been the generally nonviolent revolutions of Georgia, the Ukraine specifically and perhaps to a lesser extent the Cedar revolution of Lebanon.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    No.

    No.

    And hell no.

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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    The notion that there is a democracy in Iraq is laughable. The two main parties are composed of the Shia pro-Iranian, pro-Moullah Dawa and the Shia INM parading itself as a secular party. Iraqi politics are a game of Which Shia Can Stay In Power This Week.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Compared to life under Saddam, Iraq is like Sweden. There was a genocidal dictator and now they vote (even the women!). Do try to keep some context.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-20-11 at 01:44 PM.

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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    I believe you are so right with all you posted above here, but I would like to add that I truly believe that The Bush Invasion had a major role in getting the Show of Shock And Awe on the road that lead to what we are witnessing today in the Middle East and the growing Anti-American Sentiments in the entire region...
    Shock And Awe has become Shock And Awful and should after 10 YEARS OF OCCUPATION LEAD TO " SHOCK AND LEAVE " OR " PACK UP AND GET OUT " !!!!

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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    If anything, I'm of the opinion that the Arab Spring in Tunisia was ignited IN SPITE of what was going on in Iraq, rather than because of it. I have a hard time believing that Tunisian commoners looked towards Iraq and said, "Hey, look that's the example we want to follow!"
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    The Arabs only want TWO things: Islamic theocracy and BLOOD.
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