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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    I think it could only be viewed that way for an American perspective. It hushed the dissent about the possibility of democracy in the Middle East.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Considering what they have to transition from, why would anybody expect them to be stable at this point in a young democracy?
    I don't "expect" much of anything. Iraq is pretty much right where I expected (warned) it would be.

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    It's certainly not in any condition that most other Arab states would want to follow its example right now. If Iraq became a shining liberal democracy 30 years from now and THEN the other Arab states revolted, well, then you could probably make a stronger argument that they wanted the same thing that Iraq had. But as of now? Of course not. Anyone who looks at the conditions in "democratic Iraq" today can see that it's a spectacular failure in just about every way possible, and hardly an inspiration to anyone.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But you don't think that people in Tunisia, Egypt and other countries, when looking at their own problems, they also considered that the people in Iraq could also choose their own leaders and though that system is imperfect, they have far more recourse than we do to protest their situation?

    I personally believe that watching Iraqis voting combined with their own problems caused by the lack of such rights as well as growing global issues, including food prices, combined to bring this about.
    Eh. It could be argued that Iraq actually was detrimental to the Arab spring. The Iraqi government is one of the least competent administrations seen in the Middle East in a very long time. They cannot even agree upon who to give cabinet positions to much less fix the basic services Iraqis need. Furthermore, the democratic process highlighted just how sectarian divisions within a country can cause massive chaos. Not to mention that Iraq is one of the least homogeneous populations in the Middle East. As for more recourse, that depends who you ask.

    If anything, Israel's recent conviction and imprisonment of its former leaders has more impact. If the hated Jews have more capacity to enforce accountability on their government, that's just downright embarrassing to Arabs who consider themselves superior.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Why Iraqis

    Why not Georgians, Ukrainians etc who undertook very similar actions to get rid of rather undemocratic governments
    Because there is a common identity as Arabs and it was broadcast pretty prominently on Al Jazerra and other Arab news channels in many of those countries...
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No. When it comes to the actions of the protesters in Tunisia, I highly doubt that they took the events going on in Iraq more into account than the events that were going on in their own country. The Arab Spring was pretty much spontaneous. I believe there was a domino effect, but it started in Tunisia, not Iraq.

    I believe that both people who say that Bush destabilized the region by going into Iraq, and people who say that Iraqi elections inspired the Arab Spring, are incorrect. Social unrest, being fed up with dictatorships, food prices going through the roof, high unemployment, the use of social media, all of these factors contributed way more to the bubble bursting than what was happening in Iraq.
    Wouldn't want Bush to get an positive credit, that's for sure. There was all kinds of democracy going on before 9/11, all kinds everywhere. There is absolutely zero coincidence with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, none whatsoever. Anyone that see a connection should be hospitalized. It was Obama that did it. All his hard work, apologizing for America that did it.
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Eh. It could be argued that Iraq actually was detrimental to the Arab spring. The Iraqi government is one of the least competent administrations seen in the Middle East in a very long time. They cannot even agree upon who to give cabinet positions to much less fix the basic services Iraqis need. Furthermore, the democratic process highlighted just how sectarian divisions within a country can cause massive chaos. Not to mention that Iraq is one of the least homogeneous populations in the Middle East. As for more recourse, that depends who you ask.

    If anything, Israel's recent conviction and imprisonment of its former leaders has more impact. If the hated Jews have more capacity to enforce accountability on their government, that's just downright embarrassing to Arabs who consider themselves superior.
    There isn't anything that you couldn't argue about or find an excuse for. No doubt you could find a way to show that Obama caused it to happen. He's the Messiah, it must have been him right?
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because there is a common identity as Arabs and it was broadcast pretty prominently on Al Jazerra and other Arab news channels in many of those countries...
    However, the same groups that funded the core groups that were involved in the Orange Revolution and the Rose revolution were active in Tunisia and in Egypt, providing the same sort of training and organization building.

    As for common identity, would not the chaos, death, destruction and interal displacement that took place in Iraq be more of a warning against democracy then for it. Afterall life in Tunisia was better then life in Iraq at the time of the revolution in Tunisia
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    For this to be true then there had to be democratic elections in Iraq.... The first election was without participation of one huge part of the population, and the second election if you can call it that, has produced no results.. they cant even form a stable government let alone any policies. If anything Iraq has shown Arabs and us the utter failure of democracy without the institutions, will and legalities to make it work. Most of the top Iraq leadership are in it for the money... pure and simple. There is more corruption there now than there was under Saddam... the only difference is that Kurds and Shia now have a voice in gobbling up the corruption money.

    What has brought the "Arab spring" was the Arab satellite media, where mostly open political debate and discussion, something unheard off just 10 years ago, has been ripe. These media's have also been an outlet to show the incompetence of Arab governments in pretty much every country starting with Iraq. They still dont have power all day in Iraq... and have lost more than 18 billion dollars during the first year of US occupation alone.... money lost to massive corruption. All this has been widely pushed in Arab media and the political debates about such things have slowly but surely given a voice to those portions of the population that are oppressed. Add to that the internet, and you have a building blocks for the Arab spring.... which like it or not has very little to do with democracy, but tribe against tribe, faction against faction.

    Oman and Qatar, the home countries of the major Arab satellite news companies, have far far far far more to help with the so called Arab spring than Iraq or anyone else.

    But that is all dependent on if you actually believe there has been an "Arab spring" in the first place... which I dont. It is just another label of dictatorships that have taken over in Egypt and Tunisia....
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    Re: Do you believe democratic elections in Iraq were a harbringer of the Arab Spring?

    Werw there actually "democratic" elections in Iraq ??
    I was not there, but, were there democratic elections in our nation in the 1800s ?
    Obvious answer is NO !
    And to this day, to our shame, elections are bought and sold...but, this does not always work ....to our credit...
    So, we are making progress, however slow and the Iraqis will do the same, placing religion where it belongs will be a huge help.

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