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If it was Nazi Germany all over again, America should

  • Butt in

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  • Butt out

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True. Hitler primarily wanted them deported out of Europe. He said "we can even send them out on luxury ships". But we, the bastion of peace and honor and democracy, decided not to take any of them. Other than Canada and the Dominican Republic, which took a few thousand. After my college courses on the holocaust years ago as well as continued life time study, I've concluded that I hate the United States and the western Allies for what happened during the holocaust than I do the nazis. FDR and his people absolutely disgust me for that.
 
lewstherin said:
-- once again, you bring zero proof and lies.
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lewstherin said:
my proof is the impossibility of it --
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Irony, meet thyself.

Most deniers have pretty convoluted thinking or try to put alternative uses to the ovens and gas wagons. I'm not sure about you yet but "time-waster" comes to mind. You have no proof whereas others have shown you links, you claim Yad Vashem is a jewish "blog" and instead try to blame Russia and the allies.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Irony, meet thyself.

Most deniers have pretty convoluted thinking or try to put alternative uses to the ovens and gas wagons. I'm not sure about you yet but "time-waster" comes to mind. You have no proof whereas others have shown you links, you claim Yad Vashem is a jewish "blog" and instead try to blame Russia and the allies.
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He needs to start a conspiracy theory thread... that is what his whole argument is and that is where those with no proof generally go.
 
Gargantuan said:
True. Hitler primarily wanted them deported out of Europe. He said "we can even send them out on luxury ships". But we, the bastion of peace and honor and democracy, decided not to take any of them. Other than Canada and the Dominican Republic, which took a few thousand. After my college courses on the holocaust years ago as well as continued life time study, I've concluded that I hate the United States and the western Allies for what happened during the holocaust than I do the nazis. FDR and his people absolutely disgust me for that.
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A massive influx of refugees concerns most states. Granted, there is some blame to go around various states, but I also cannot believe you put more blame on those states than the Nazis. That is disgusting of you.
 
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Your Star said:
So you find no moral obligation to your fellow human beings to stop the merciless slaughter of millions of innocent people?
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How many millions? How about just one million? How about 900,000? 500,000? 100,000? 10,000? 1,000? One?

How many of us have to die? How many have to be inconvenienced? How much is it going to cost?

What is in our nation's interest?
 
lewstherin said:
yeah. i've had a couple jewish holocaust blogs thrown up, and then a revisionist encyclopedia interpretation.
my "proof" is every bit as valid as the links provided. your free to ignore my proof as i will definitely ignore your
gullibility in believing everything you're been spoonfed by propagandists.
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Dude, you're coming across as a Holocaust Denier who denies that he's a denier.

Claiming it never happened, and claiming the number of vics was in the thousands rather than millions, is a fine distinction. The evidence is against you.
 
Fiddytree said:
A massive influx of refugees concerns most states. Granted, there is some blame to go around various states, but I also cannot believe you put more blame on those states than the Nazis. That is disgusting of you.
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No it isn't. Not when you have American government officials denying entry to Jews because they are Jewish. Please refer to my other posts. When you are dealing with countries that are supposed to be the democratic, peace loving, equality, etc, places, you'd expect better. And a refugee crisis shouldn't matter. We knew what the situation on the ground was, and we refused to help them. We could have taken more than the few hundred Jews we did.
 
Yes it is. We should have done more and we have blame to share, but you have lost sight of the villain of history. Instead, you ease up the attack on the butchers in order to scorn the distant onlookers. Repugnant, sir. Shame on you.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Irony, meet thyself.

Most deniers have pretty convoluted thinking or try to put alternative uses to the ovens and gas wagons. I'm not sure about you yet but "time-waster" comes to mind. You have no proof whereas others have shown you links, you claim Yad Vashem is a jewish "blog" and instead try to blame Russia and the allies.
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russia was slaughtering jews by the thousands, itself. so it seems to me the allies were committing a holocaust all their own,
which is EXACTLY why the numbers of jews slaughtered by the nazis was exaggerated. it took a number like 6 million to create a more
benevolent image of the jew-murdering allied powers.
and you all keep telling this lie that i'm a "holocaust denier" even though i have acknowledged the holocaust many times
in this thread. so keep up the dishonesty. i'm not buying into it though.
 
Gargantuan said:
No it isn't. Not when you have American government officials denying entry to Jews because they are Jewish. Please refer to my other posts. When you are dealing with countries that are supposed to be the democratic, peace loving, equality, etc, places, you'd expect better. And a refugee crisis shouldn't matter. We knew what the situation on the ground was, and we refused to help them. We could have taken more than the few hundred Jews we did.
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War is hell. World wars where it is by no means certain we are going to win them even more so.

In a past life I was very interested in the intelligence aspects of the holocaust. Did we have signals intercepts to give us "truth?" Were there any photo reconnaissance missions that identified the concentration camps? How many reports came through trusted embassy people? The picture is by no means clear.

What was the timeline? How was the war going? Was there anything we might have done if we thought it necessary to do anything? Many millions were killed in WWII. What would have made the plight of one groups special?
 
We had photos of the camps dating very back early into the war. Couriers from Warsaw followed the trains to Treblinka, and smelt the dead bodies. They wrote to Churchill with the location and all, and it was ignored.

Breckinridge Long, US assistant state secretary, denied entry to Jews. We did not take more than a few hundred Jews during the Evian conference. Explain to me why we are better than them. It only takes a few good men doing nothing for evil to triumph.
 
There are living eye witnesses still today to the death camps in Germany, yet still some people insist on denying the holocaust. It just amazes me how people will believe what they want to believe regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think Jon Stewart said it well: "You can't counter irrationality with empirical evidence."
 
Dittohead not! said:
There are living eye witnesses still today to the death camps in Germany, yet still some people insist on denying the holocaust. It just amazes me how people will believe what they want to believe regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think Jon Stewart said it well: "You can't counter irrationality with empirical evidence."
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i've yet to see anyone in this thread deny the holocaust. WWII had the allied holocaust and the axis holocaust.
of course the victor of WWII was able to dictate the numbers....but even i know there was a jewish holocaust or 2
during WWII.
 
lewstherin said:
-- which is EXACTLY why the numbers of jews slaughtered by the nazis was exaggerated. it took a number like 6 million to create a more benevolent image of the jew-murdering allied powers.
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The numbers are well documented, historians and witnesses attest to the facts yet you have some secret knowledge and cannot back your theory up.

lewstherin said:
-- and you all keep telling this lie that i'm a "holocaust denier" even though i have acknowledged the holocaust many times
in this thread. so keep up the dishonesty. i'm not buying into it though.
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Holocaust denial isn't simply saying it didn't happen, many notable deniers also acknowledge that a mass extermination took place. Many either try to lower the numbers as they wish to present the real numbers as an exaggeration, or place the blame elsewhere.

One of the most notable anti-Semitic propaganda movements to develop over the past two decades has been the organized effort to deny or minimize the established history of Nazi genocide against the Jews. Source
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Look in a mirror after you read the link.

lewstherin said:
russia was slaughtering jews by the thousands, itself. so it seems to me the allies were committing a holocaust all their own
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One of the allied powers yes, all of the allies - no. Stalin wasn't just responsible for the deaths of approx 2 million jews and it is documented that he was anti-semitic but he also was responsible for the deaths of approx 30 million of his own.
 
lewstherin said:
i've yet to see anyone in this thread deny the holocaust. WWII had the allied holocaust and the axis holocaust.
of course the victor of WWII was able to dictate the numbers....but even i know there was a jewish holocaust or 2
during WWII.
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Do you have as big of a problem with the 6 million Gypsies, gays, etc as you have a problem with the 6 million Jews? All you mention is Jews Jews Jews...

In the face of evidence... NOT HAVING EVIDENCE is one of the worst debating techniques known to man. But, as brilliant as you are, you have dodged that issue with the classic, "I don't need evidence, since the victors had an agenda and could dictate the numbers even though I have no evidence" stance... Brilliantly played sir. You are a mental giant. You sir, are without a doubt one of the best debators at Debate Politics. I would like to shake your hand and bath in your glory.
 
We didn't get involved in World War II until Pearl Harbor was bombed. Then we wiped Germany and Japan out. Getting us involved in the war turned out to be a mistake on their part.
 
SPC said:
We didn't get involved in World War II until Pearl Harbor was bombed. Then we wiped Germany and Japan out. Getting us involved in the war turned out to be a mistake on their part.
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That's really bad history on your part. We were losing the war on both fronts until 43 really.
 
SPC said:
We didn't get involved in World War II until Pearl Harbor was bombed. Then we wiped Germany and Japan out. Getting us involved in the war turned out to be a mistake on their part.
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Well, there was the fact that we were "lending" Britain war materiel (again) and blockading the Japanese oil supply. We were about as neutral as a Chicago election board.
 
Gargantuan said:
That's really bad history on your part. We were losing the war on both fronts until 43 really.
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We didn't have much of an army at the beginning of the war. It took a while to start producing war machinery and train soldiers.
 
Dittohead not! said:
We didn't have much of an army at the beginning of the war. It took a while to start producing war machinery and train soldiers.
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Exactly... thus we were losing on both fronts, pretty terribly on each but the Americans themselves were getting wiped in the east.
 
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Exactly... thus we were losing on both fronts, pretty terribly on each but the Americans themselves were getting wiped in the east.
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That goes to show what this nation can do when people in this nation begin to pull together, doesn't it? Maybe we could meet some of the challenges we face today that way.

I know it seems like a radical suggestion, but pulling together instead of pointing fingers and playing partisan games, as we're doing now, worked before.
 
The people in power doing this should be shot to death. Immediately.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That goes to show what this nation can do when people in this nation begin to pull together, doesn't it? Maybe we could meet some of the challenges we face today that way.

I know it seems like a radical suggestion, but pulling together instead of pointing fingers and playing partisan games, as we're doing now, worked before.
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It really is. Pulling together and uniting us really does make a difference. There was thought that would happen after Bin Laden died for about two days.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Well, there was the fact that we were "lending" Britain war materiel (again) and blockading the Japanese oil supply. We were about as neutral as a Chicago election board.
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Small correction needed here. The USA wasn't 'lending' Great Britain anything. You were leasing materiel - big difference, as we only finished paying off lend-lease debts a few years ago. :)
 
Leo said:
Small correction needed here. The USA wasn't 'lending' Great Britain anything. You were leasing materiel - big difference, as we only finished paying off lend-lease debts a few years ago. :)
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My apologies. I stand corrected. Reckon that balances out with all the trade our corporations were doing with Germany, so that made us neutral enough in Europe.

Doesn't change the oil embargo, though.
 
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