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If it was Nazi Germany all over again, America should

  • Butt in

    Votes: 36 73.5%
  • Butt out

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • Specifically ......

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • No clue

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • Total voters
    49
Nope. If I'd lost family in the Holocaust, I'd want revenge against the people responsible. Wouldn't make me give a damn about other victims. Why would it?

I love how people keep assuming that I'd have more empathy if only I'd been victimized more.



Expecting any different ain't going to make it happen.

But you just went past-tense on me. And of course if your family sucks, you're not going to care if they are in imminent danger. I'm talking if you knew they were in danger - you'd just go "ah, well; your time was up"?

Everybody's different, so I don't know if you're incapable of doing a paradigm shift, or what. I'm not emotionally invested in what comes out of your mouth so the bolded bit is a bit presumptuous on your part.
 
So America should not have interceded in Nazi Germany? There's probably a fair amount of people who feel the same. Does it really boil down to "we don't have a dog in the fight", regardless of what atrocities are taking place?

Thats such a hard one. As human beings I feel we have an obligation to step up to the plate when we see genocide against humanity. But I dont feel its only the U.S.'s responsibility to do that. I think the entire world needs to step up and say....right is right, wrong is wrong. unfortunately that doesnt happen. I do feel we have an obligation to do something, but we as a country cant fight everyones battles, we just cant. I dont know.....
 
Does anyone today believe that Nazi Germany was not a threat to the United States? Really?
 
Aren't those the same people you say we should have been supporting when you say we were fighting on the wrong side in WWII?

Yes. And if my family had been Jewish, I would have supported American intervention to stop the Holocaust; if I were Tutsi, I would have supported American intervention in Rwanda. Being a Jew wouldn't change my feelings about Rwanda, and being a Tutsi wouldn't change my feelings about the Holocaust.

But you just went past-tense on me. And of course if your family sucks, you're not going to care if they are in imminent danger. I'm talking if you knew they were in danger - you'd just go "ah, well; your time was up"?

I may have misunderstood you, and if I have I apologize. I thought you were implying that if I'd lost people in the Holocaust, I'd have a different opinion about genocide in general-- that my position was only so much ignorance and white privilege. I seem to get that a lot.
 
lewstherin = a waste of time

Why would I accuse you of racism? Unless you are saying what you are saying for racist reasons, I would only claim that you are ignorant. Are you a member of Storm Front? I assume that you are only questioning the numbers and not if the Holocaust actually took place, right?

Look, I stick to facts and logic, neither of which you have offered here. You are basically saying, "Damn, that is a lot of people to kill in a short amount of time with such small facilities. It has to be false. Oh, you think that it is true, well, I will offer no proof and call you insane instead, so there!"

Refute these guys with some facts, and then I will provide some to counter your claims.

No serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place. — Governing council, unanimous declaration, American Historical Association

SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[159] stating: I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there

SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considered the facts of Auschwitz "so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all", and described those who negate what happened at the camp as "malevolent" people who have "personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."

SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be "crazy or on the wrong"

Provide evidence of your claims or just admit that it is just an opinion. You do realize that this is a debate forum?

Oh, and...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/102104-if-14.html#post1059583941
 
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They were exterminating Jews and minorities both of which America had/has plenty of.

Where is the proof Hitler wanted to invade America?

Not to mention the taking over the world project.

Where is the proof Hitler wanted to take over the world?
 
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The "butt" implies that our involvement was wrong.
The thing that was wrong was our slow involvement.
Prevention is the answer, via the UN.
 
i never said any of that. i already acknowledged there WAS a holocaust. all i stated was that the
numbers were exaggerated would you care to prove this ????? one way or the other.... now...you wanna lie a few more times to prove your non-existent point?
The so-called exaggerated numbers are imaterial...They are impossible to measure due to the Holocaust level of the event..
 
Where is the proof Hitler wanted to invade America?



Where is the proof Hitler wanted to take over the world?

He wanted to kill all the Jews, had he stayed in power he would have attempted to invade America.
 
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The "butt" implies that our involvement was wrong.
The thing that was wrong was our slow involvement.
Prevention is the answer, via the UN.

No it doesn't. It's a slang term. If I'd said "get involved" or "remain uninvolved", how would you have voted.
 
i never said any of that. i already acknowledged there WAS a holocaust. all i stated was that the
numbers were exaggerated. now...you wanna lie a few more times to prove your non-existent point?

Reading Comprehension. Work on it. I said:

"I assume that you are only questioning the numbers and not if the Holocaust actually took place, right?"

AND

"You are basically saying, 'Damn, that is a lot of people to kill in a short amount of time with such small facilities. It has to be false. Oh, you think that it is true, well, I will offer no proof and call you insane instead, so there!'"

Care to address that instead?

Can you actually provide any numbers with facts or is this the best you got?
 
If events were unfolding in a foreign land exactly as they unfolded in Nazi Germany, what would you recommend?

[SARCASM]Well, seeing as I am a pinko-liberal-commi-socialist-nazi-bleeding heart pig, I would recommend that we help them implement their fascist system of government with as much IMF money as possible.[/SARCASM]
 
Reading Comprehension. Work on it. I said:

"I assume that you are only questioning the numbers and not if the Holocaust actually took place, right?"

AND

"You are basically saying, 'Damn, that is a lot of people to kill in a short amount of time with such small facilities. It has to be false. Oh, you think that it is true, well, I will offer no proof and call you insane instead, so there!'"

Care to address that instead?

Can you actually provide any numbers with facts or is this the best you got?

well....ummmmm...it takes 2 and 1/2 hours to cremate a single human body. there were 3 ovens at auschwitz designed
to hold 2 people at at time. you do the math, genius.
 
well....ummmmm...it takes 2 and 1/2 hours to cremate a single human body. there were 3 ovens at auschwitz designed
to hold 2 people at at time. you do the math, genius.

Designed to hold 2 (two) people at a time? Where did you get that little datum?
 
Designed to hold 2 (two) people at a time? Where did you get that little datum?

sorry. different links say things, probably on different camps. these were designed to hold 3 at a time, and there were more
than 2. looks to be 5. even so....the math will NEVER add up to anything close to a million.

crem2furnaces.jpg
 
This one appears to have been built to hold more than two or three at a time:

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This one appears to have been built to hold more than two or three at a time:

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It's no kind of logical to only kill 2-3 at a time. There were too many scheduled for death.
 
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Auschwitz was the place where the Nazis perfected the machinery of extermination, starting off as quite a small camp but rapidly expanding to form other camps as they had to cope with increasing numbers of victims transported in by trains from all over Europe. Most of the victims, some 75% according to Rudolf Hoss the camp commandant, were gassed immediately on arrival: in the first camp the gas chamber could despatch 700 people at a time, with three ovens to burn the corpses. In the second camp there were eventually four gas chambers and crematoria, each of which could despatch 2,000 people. Even so the killing exceeded the capacity of the ovens and thousands of bodies were burned out in the open, or buried in mass graves.
 
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So America should not have interceded in Nazi Germany? There's probably a fair amount of people who feel the same. Does it really boil down to "we don't have a dog in the fight", regardless of what atrocities are taking place?

We didn't intercede in Nazi Germany. Americans didn't give a flying crap about the camps. We knew there were camps. We knew people were being murdered in masses. Franklin Roosevelt's assistant secretary of state denied entry to Jewish refuges. The Germans actually offered Jews to the western Allies. We declined apart from Canada taking a few thousand. We got involved because they declared war on us.

Also don't forget Henry Ford and his international Jewry pamphlets in every new car.

And is someone in this thread really denying the holocaust ever occurred? Read the minutes of the Wansee conference please.

Don't forget Hitler's quote about the Evian conference:
Hitler said:
I can only hope and expect that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals [Jews], will at least be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships.
 
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