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    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    well....ummmmm...it takes 2 and 1/2 hours to cremate a single human body. there were 3 ovens at auschwitz designed
    to hold 2 people at at time. you do the math, genius.
    LOL! Millions were rounded up and killed by the SS outside of the camps...
    Thousands upon thousands were used and killed in medical experiments...
    Tens of thousands, if not more, died doind slave labor...

    I will offer some preliminary numbers and sources. I am confident that you will offer nothing but opinionated tripe in response, but who knows?

    Auschwitz II-Birkenau, more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day

    Auschwitz concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How many Jews were murdered in the Holocaust? How do we know? Do we have their names?

    There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million quoted by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official. Most research confirms that the number of victims was between five and six million. Early calculations range from 5.1 million (Professor Raul Hilberg) to 5.95 million (Jacob Leschinsky). More recent research, by Professor Yisrael Gutman and Dr. Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, estimates the Jewish losses at 5.59–5.86 million, and a study headed by Dr. Wolfgang Benz presents a range from 5.29 million to six million.

    The main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar censuses with postwar censuses and population estimates. Nazi documentation containing partial data on various deportations and murders is also used. We estimate that Yad Vashem currently has somewhat more than four million names of victims that are accessible. This figure is based primarily on some two million Pages of Testimony, which often contain information about more than one Jew who perished in the Holocaust. As of early June 1999, more than 1.6 million Pages of Testimony have been computerized. In addition, we have thousands of documents containing names from the Holocaust era, many of which are those of victims


    What were the Einsatzgruppen and what was their role in the murder of the Jews?

    Einsatzgruppen means "task forces." The SS set up such units before they entered Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and the Soviet Union. The task of the Einsatzgruppen in Poland was to terrorize the local population and murder anyone whom the SS deemed undesirable. The most infamous Einsatzgruppen of all were formed before the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941. Their primary task was to destroy what they regarded as the ideological infrastructure of the Soviet Union: political commissars, members of the Communist party, and above all, Jews.

    Einsatzgruppen advanced into the Soviet Union along with the German army. Wherever they stopped, they collected and shot in cold blood as many Jews as they could find (first Jewish males, and soon thereafter Jewish women and children, as well). They wrote detailed daily reports on their activities, copies of which still exist. According to their own incomplete reports, they killed at least 900,000 Jews and were assisted by other units in the murder of hundreds of thousands more.


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    Re: If

    Correct. The Einsatzgruppen killed roughly 1 million. Unfortunately word got to the Fuhrer that troops were being demoralized by what the Einsatzgruppen were doing, so he ordered Goering to order Heydrich to come up with a solution to that - the camps. The gas vans were just not working, they were too costly, and not enough were being killed. The extermination camps could kill 20-30k a day with ease, and without demoralizing the troops.

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    Also lew you ignored the rest of my post:

    Quote Originally Posted by An ignored me on the last page
    Also your claim about people not fitting into the ovens, that was no problem for the Germans. Bodies were broken up very simply after they were gassed, and the human feces was cleaned off the floor, and the next party was led in. The Germans had bone crushers all over these camps incase they didn't fit.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    LOL! Millions were rounded up and killed by the SS outside of the camps...
    Thousands upon thousands were used and killed in medical experiments...
    Tens of thousands, if not more, died doind slave labor...

    I will offer some preliminary numbers and sources. I am confident that you will offer nothing but opinionated tripe in response, but who knows?

    Auschwitz II-Birkenau, more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day

    Auschwitz concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How many Jews were murdered in the Holocaust? How do we know? Do we have their names?

    There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million quoted by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official. Most research confirms that the number of victims was between five and six million. Early calculations range from 5.1 million (Professor Raul Hilberg) to 5.95 million (Jacob Leschinsky). More recent research, by Professor Yisrael Gutman and Dr. Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, estimates the Jewish losses at 5.59–5.86 million, and a study headed by Dr. Wolfgang Benz presents a range from 5.29 million to six million.

    The main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar censuses with postwar censuses and population estimates. Nazi documentation containing partial data on various deportations and murders is also used. We estimate that Yad Vashem currently has somewhat more than four million names of victims that are accessible. This figure is based primarily on some two million Pages of Testimony, which often contain information about more than one Jew who perished in the Holocaust. As of early June 1999, more than 1.6 million Pages of Testimony have been computerized. In addition, we have thousands of documents containing names from the Holocaust era, many of which are those of victims


    What were the Einsatzgruppen and what was their role in the murder of the Jews?

    Einsatzgruppen means "task forces." The SS set up such units before they entered Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and the Soviet Union. The task of the Einsatzgruppen in Poland was to terrorize the local population and murder anyone whom the SS deemed undesirable. The most infamous Einsatzgruppen of all were formed before the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941. Their primary task was to destroy what they regarded as the ideological infrastructure of the Soviet Union: political commissars, members of the Communist party, and above all, Jews.

    Einsatzgruppen advanced into the Soviet Union along with the German army. Wherever they stopped, they collected and shot in cold blood as many Jews as they could find (first Jewish males, and soon thereafter Jewish women and children, as well). They wrote detailed daily reports on their activities, copies of which still exist. According to their own incomplete reports, they killed at least 900,000 Jews and were assisted by other units in the murder of hundreds of thousands more.


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    lol. are you serious? so i'm to believe a jewish holocaust blog on this?
    you all seem to be missing the real point........which is russia itself and the allied
    powers. how many jews did stalin kill in his pograms? and america herself was
    hardly a jew-embracing nation during the early to mid 20th century. the victor
    of any war writes the history of the war...any sane person understands this.
    WWII is no different than the american civil war in this regard. there are many stupid
    people in america whom actually believe that the civil war was about slavery and civil rights. of course, anyone doing any research at all on the matter knows different.
    it was rewritten for our history books to convince future generations it was about such a noble cause, even though lincoln himself was probably more of a white supremacist than jefferson davis.
    the same thing applies here. stalin was slaughtering jews and gypsies all over russia.
    it took a number like 6 million to demonize hitler over stalin. that's what the whole thing amounted to. the allies had to cover stalins ass for being every bit the monster adolf hitler was.
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    Re: If

    You really have absolutely no proof of these claims of revisionism, other than the correct statement about the Pogroms as well as anti semitisim by Americans. The western allies didn't give a flying **** about the Jews that were dying.

    ALso you keep ignoring my point that I keep quoting.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    lol. are you serious? so i'm to believe a jewish holocaust blog on this?
    you all seem to be missing the real point........which is russia itself and the allied
    powers. how many jews did stalin kill in his pograms? and america herself was
    hardly a jew-embracing nation during the early to mid 20th century. the victor
    of any war writes the history of the war...any sane person understands this.
    WWII is no different than the american civil war in this regard. there are many stupid
    people in america whom actually believe that the civil war was about slavery and civil rights. of course, anyone doing any research at all on the matter knows different.
    it was rewritten for our history books to convince future generations it was about such a noble cause, even though lincoln himself was probably more of a white supremacist than jefferson davis.
    the same thing applies here. stalin was slaughtering jews and gypsies all over russia.
    it took a number like 6 million to demonize hitler over stalin. that's what the whole thing amounted to. the allies had to cover stalins ass for being every bit the monster adolf hitler was.
    So no evidence. No proof. Gotchya.

    I posted more than that one site, and you have ignored it. You are ignoring the mass executions and medical expirements and the fact that there were more ovens than you let on, as well as quotes from SS officers and population census's. Good for you. You countered EXACTLY as I thought you would, with nothing but opinion.

    Well, you lost this debate, not that you think so... no matter. Anything else or is that the best that you can do? My 7 year-old daughter could beat you in a debate. LOL! Seriously... this is just the beginning and you can't even hack this. Aight homey... lates
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    wrong. the russians faked the records. so you're saying no jews fled europe after the nazi rise to power? you're saying no jews got the hell out of europe when instructed to?
    you're even more gullible than i thought.
    Did someone claim that all the Jews were cremated or is everyone ignoring that there are more ways to kill someone than to burn them?
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Did someone claim that all the Jews were cremated or is everyone ignoring that there are more ways to kill someone than to burn them?
    I have repeatedly stated this, even providing video evidence. He just ignores it...
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    i never said any of that. i already acknowledged there WAS a holocaust. all i stated was that the
    numbers were exaggerated.
    the number of people killed in the holocaust was too many.

    5 million, 5.5 million, 6 million, does it really change anything? the loss of lives was significant.
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    lol. are you serious? so i'm to believe a jewish holocaust blog on this?
    Yad Vashem is not "a jewish holocaust blog." Have you actually checked the site?

    I know you will try and say that wasn't the link you were referring to in the same way that you were the one who raised the issue of numbers of exterminations at the death camps and then being slippery about whether you mean all the nazi facilities or just Auschwitz / Birkenau for where all the 6 million died.

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    -- you all seem to be missing the real point........
    I think we know the point when we read your posts on this issue.

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