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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Conversely, if such an atrocity happens here, should we expect no help, and it's just the way of things that our lives end because of it?

    I don't believe in sitting passively awaiting fate.

    If you have reasonable suspicion that TPTB in a rising totalitarian state aren't fond of "your kind" (whatever that might be), your best bet is to get out early.... as some European Jews and others did.
    Failing that, be prepared to run, hide, and/or fight. Those who tried to do these things had a better survival ratio than those who meekly boarded the cattle cars...

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Conversely, if such an atrocity happens here, should we expect no help, and it's just the way of things that our lives end because of it?
    That's a very good point. IMO, it would depend upon whether it was a foreign invader, or whether Americans were doing that to their fellow Americans (a greater likelihood in any powerful nation).

    There is no doubt in my mind that if the US was attacked and invaded by superior force (and I can't think how that would be possible currently,) Great Britain, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand (distant family, so to speak) would immediately, and without question, come to her aid.

    But if it were a Fascist US government enslaving and murdering its own citizens, under the convenient cover of National Security, it would be impossible to rescue them, short of invading and effectively destroying the US itself (always assuming this is possible, given comparative military power). Remember that it took years of fighting, and the combined military power and resources of most of the developed world, to overcome a single powerful Fascist European nation.
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Conversely, if such an atrocity happens here, should we expect no help, and it's just the way of things that our lives end because of it?
    No, we shouldn't expect help. This is our country, our land, and our government. We take care of our problems ourselves.
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Read the historians, check some history watch some interviews however this semi-denial / negotiation of numbers is distracting from the thread
    I see nothing wrong with doubting estimates that don't appear to add up. I'm not here to prove anything just to say I can't figure out how their estimates could actually be real.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The British and French were allies, which is the only reason we interceded. Frankly, I think we were on the wrong side in WW2.
    I think we really couldn't go wrong picking either Germany or the Soviets for enemies. It would be interesting to see an alternative future whereby we allied against the Soviets instead.

    I do agree with you that communist ideology is more dangerous than fascist ideology. But the Germans were looking for the nuke too. I imagine it was a case of 6 of one and half a dozen of another. We likely would have had another Cold War, but with an enemy that could afford it.
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Do you wonder if your opinion would change if your own family members had been directly affected 'over there'?
    Nope. If I'd lost family in the Holocaust, I'd want revenge against the people responsible. Wouldn't make me give a damn about other victims. Why would it?

    I love how people keep assuming that I'd have more empathy if only I'd been victimized more.

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Conversely, if such an atrocity happens here, should we expect no help, and it's just the way of things that our lives end because of it?
    Expecting any different ain't going to make it happen.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is so ludicrous.

    Look.

    Trains with cattle cars... you can put 10,000 people on a train this way, no problem. If they're unarmed and they've been told they're being "relocated", one platoon of soldiers will suffice for security.
    Get them off the train, divide them into smaller manageable groups, and send them walking down seperate confined paths. Load 100 at a time into a mass shower facility. Gas them dead. Drag the bodies out, scoop them with a dozer and dump them in a trench to be burned, while other people clean out the "shower room". In a couple of hours the "shower room" could be ready for another "load".

    Ten large shower rooms and related facilities, and you could exterminate perhaps 10,000 people in a day at one camp. 10,000 x 365 = 3.65 million. Maybe not quite that many, there would be bottlenecks from time to time, but one camp could certainly kill more than a million a year.

    The first camps were in operation for at least two years, and IIRC there were six of them by the war's end. I find the Holocaust offical numbers quite believeable.
    how long does it take to cremate a single human body? i mean, i already know the answer. i'm just seeing if you know.
    oh....and how many crematorium ovens were there at each camp? i already know this, also. but we can play the game, if you wish.
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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    -- Frankly, I think we were on the wrong side in WW2.
    The only way to have become partner to a fascist Germany would have been to become fascist yourself as a nation. However I do remember you view yourself as a fascist - but in regard to the fascist germany, there were many policies to do with ethnic minorities and civil rights that already had a faint echo in the US.

    If I also recall, weren't some powerful US bankers involved in helping the German military machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't believe in sitting passively awaiting fate.

    If you have reasonable suspicion that TPTB in a rising totalitarian state aren't fond of "your kind" (whatever that might be), your best bet is to get out early.... as some European Jews and others did.
    Failing that, be prepared to run, hide, and/or fight. Those who tried to do these things had a better survival ratio than those who meekly boarded the cattle cars...
    I don't either and many Jews tried to escape however to successfully escape to another country, that country must be willing to offer you refuge. Many jews tried escaping very early and some were returned to Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I see nothing wrong with doubting estimates that don't appear to add up. I'm not here to prove anything just to say I can't figure out how their estimates could actually be real.
    Then do some basic research on the industrial processes that the Nazis employed. Before the camps, the germans used soldiers with machine guns to shoot jewish and ethnic minority victims and eventually the mechanical process of holding a trigger down got wearing.

    If you mechanise any process, you can usually accomplish a particular task quicker and more efficiently. The subject is disgusting and distasteful and lack of knowledge dishonours the victims.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    If events were unfolding in a foreign land exactly as they unfolded in Nazi Germany, what would you recommend?
    I'm a NeoConservative, I tend to argue that America's foreign strength is aided by robust defense and expansion of her ideals abroad. Butt In.


    World War One, now... that conflict perhaps we should have just let the belligerents wear each other to nubs and give up. We could have avoided alot of later trouble that way.
    Last edited by cpwill; 06-21-11 at 05:39 AM.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Nope. If I'd lost family in the Holocaust, I'd want revenge against the people responsible.
    Aren't those the same people you say we should have been supporting when you say we were fighting on the wrong side in WWII?
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