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    Re: If

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    Japan attacked us and Germany declared war against us.
    Sorry, high school was a lifetime ago. Thank you. So we stayed out until we were, ourselves, attacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    no, it acknowledges that i meant what i said. there is no way physically possible that millions of people were killed in those camps
    in a 3 year period with the limited space and resources of those facilities.
    If those camps are specifically only Birkenau and Auschwitz then yes, neither 6 million nor 12 million were killed there. You are still the only person to have raised that scenario so acknowledging a refutation or point that nobody else raised is a bit meaningless.

    If on the other hand, the picture is raised across all the camps that jews were sent to - from Romania to Germany, Poland etc then the figures are pretty accurate.

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    Re: If

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That is a pretty awful thing to say Viktyr. There is no "just like" either: the world knew about the Hutus but it was wrangling and procrastination in the UN which stopped any action to prevent the slaughter.
    We wouldn't have waited for the UN's permission if intervention had suited our purposes.

    You can say what you will about my motivations, but at least they're honest. I don't use false humanitarianism to justify my imperialistic agenda.

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    Do you wonder if your opinion would change if your own family members had been directly affected 'over there'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    We wouldn't have waited for the UN's permission if intervention had suited our purposes.

    You can say what you will about my motivations, but at least they're honest. I don't use false humanitarianism to justify my imperialistic agenda.
    No, I'm realist enough to know that many countries balked at the idea of intervening in Rwanda, they carried no greater threat as compared to Germany and Japan during WW2.

    I recognise your honesty even when I disagree what you say. At least with you - I know where you stand and don't have to ask you repeatedly for clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    no, it acknowledges that i meant what i said. there is no way physically possible that millions of people were killed in those camps
    in a 3 year period with the limited space and resources of those facilities.
    This is so ludicrous.

    Look.

    Trains with cattle cars... you can put 10,000 people on a train this way, no problem. If they're unarmed and they've been told they're being "relocated", one platoon of soldiers will suffice for security.
    Get them off the train, divide them into smaller manageable groups, and send them walking down seperate confined paths. Load 100 at a time into a mass shower facility. Gas them dead. Drag the bodies out, scoop them with a dozer and dump them in a trench to be burned, while other people clean out the "shower room". In a couple of hours the "shower room" could be ready for another "load".

    Ten large shower rooms and related facilities, and you could exterminate perhaps 10,000 people in a day at one camp. 10,000 x 365 = 3.65 million. Maybe not quite that many, there would be bottlenecks from time to time, but one camp could certainly kill more than a million a year.

    The first camps were in operation for at least two years, and IIRC there were six of them by the war's end. I find the Holocaust offical numbers quite believeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    ohhhhhh...i see. you are wanting me to provide you with a link regarding the matter that you can then deem as "racist".

    well, let's go beyond that a bit. auschwitz was divided into multiple sections. auschwitz II was where those held for extermination
    were placed.
    this is how big auschwitz was in it's entirety..............

    all 3 sections of it.

    the entire structure is no larger than a small town hospital. cut that structure into a 1/3, and you have the capacity to
    dispose of how many people in a 3 year period? you're saying 12 million. so i'm to believe that these tiny establishments could
    effectively dispose completely of 300,000 people a month? not even the NYC morgue could do that $h!t. not the NYC, chicago,
    and los angeles morgues COMBINED could handle that number. are you ill in your mind?
    Why would I accuse you of racism? Unless you are saying what you are saying for racist reasons, I would only claim that you are ignorant. Are you a member of Storm Front? I assume that you are only questioning the numbers and not if the Holocaust actually took place, right?

    Look, I stick to facts and logic, neither of which you have offered here. You are basically saying, "Damn, that is a lot of people to kill in a short amount of time with such small facilities. It has to be false. Oh, you think that it is true, well, I will offer no proof and call you insane instead, so there!"

    Refute these guys with some facts, and then I will provide some to counter your claims.

    No serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place. — Governing council, unanimous declaration, American Historical Association

    SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[159] stating: I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there

    SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considered the facts of Auschwitz "so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all", and described those who negate what happened at the camp as "malevolent" people who have "personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."

    SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be "crazy or on the wrong"

    Provide evidence of your claims or just admit that it is just an opinion. You do realize that this is a debate forum?
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    Re: If

    Originally Posted by lewstherin
    auschwitz and treblinka were the "death camps". i already mentioned treblinka, too. and someone on this thread DID mention 12 million.
    I said 12 million died in the Holocaust, not just the death camps. Hundreds of thousands were killed by execution squads before the death camps were in operation. Whole towns were executed and there are video links that show this. 1.5 million were killed by these squads.

    YouTube - ‪Nazi Death Squads - Esquadrões da Morte Nazis - Parte 1-5‬‏

    no, it acknowledges that i meant what i said. there is no way physically possible that millions of people were killed in those camps
    in a 3 year period with the limited space and resources of those facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I honestly don't buy the numbers that have been released either. I don't have any proof, but I can't figure how they could manage it.
    At least you are honest about it. I can appreciate that.
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    Re: If

    WW2 was not fought based on humanitarian concerns. The allies were certainly willing to violate sovereign rights when it was convenient as in Iraq or Iran. The entire pacific war was a fight between imperialist conquerors deciding who was going to rule over the natives. FDR made the choice to get the U.S. in the war starting in '39 before the Holocaust was known. WW2 was about power and the winners pretty much ended up ruling the world for a time.

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    Re: If

    Conversely, if such an atrocity happens here, should we expect no help, and it's just the way of things that our lives end because of it?

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