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Thread: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bud, what happened 200-300 yrs ago is moot now. I'm talking about what is going on NOW. We need a common language. It isn't going to be Lakota, sorry; not enough people speak it.


    And don't tell me I don't care about Native issues; I've got enough Cherokee and Creek in my ancestry that people sometimes notice and ask me about it.
    At one point,wasn't the language spoken by your ancestors the dominant language of their territory?
    Did they require the European settlers to speak their language?
    Did they try to assimulate as a whole?
    Learn the language of the Cherokee/Creek as a whole
    Or did they just kick your ancestors off their land like they did mine.

    And that seems to be the root of the issue isn't it.
    The fear of others doing to modern Americans what was done to the natives 200 to 300 years ago.
    It might be moot point,but was it right what was done to our ancestors?

    There is a big difference between having some ancestors that were Indian,and being half Indian.Such as myself.
    I'm wondering,did you grow up on a reservation,did you go to a government Boarding school?
    I grew up on the Wazi Ahanhan Oyaŋke (Pineridge Lakota ) "Res" in South Dakota in the '70's, I saw with my own eyes what the affects of 200-300 years have done. Try telling the poor of that region it's "moot point".
    I remember as a little kid what happened at Wounded Knee in the 70's
    I am relearning a language that was forcibly denied me as a child by our own government.

    Like I've stated before on a previous post,there is a danger of an "Official Language" being turned into a "Forced Language". and that can easilly slide into a Forced Religion,and a Forced Ideology.

    I've seen it happen.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    A national official language would, of course, not be applicable to tribal lands as they have autonomy.
    Are you going to guarantee me that those lands will always be autonomous?
    Our government doesn't exactly have a great track record in keeping treaties with the tribes.
    I wonder how autonomous those tribes would be if gas starts hitting 6,7,8,9,10dollars a gallon,and oil was found underneath them.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We have a large and growing group of immigrants, mainly hispanic, mostly from Mexico; many of whom are here illegally; many of whom are not intrested in assimilating and "Becoming American" but simply reaping the benefits of our system; many of whom are making little or no effort to learn English.

    How do you get by in a country when you don't speak the most common lanugage? Answer: you hang out with those who speak YOUR language; do biz with them, work for them, identify with them. It is yet another way of creating schizm within the nation, where you have a large and growing group who does not identify with the mainstream culture at all, doesn't speak the language, and doesn't really care as long as we bend over backwards to accomodate THEM.

    Too much of this and we really will become "Two Americas"... or three, or four, etc.

    Maintaining a sense of "we're all Americans" can be difficult enough in the diversity that this nation has.... lacking the ability to SPEAK to each other is a good way to finish off any sense of fellow-citizenship that might have grown between this and that group.

    When you walk into the middle of a group of people who are speaking a language you don't know, what is your gut reaction? Do you think of them as fellow Americans, or assume they are "other", "alien", "foreigners"? Most people assume the latter. There's a reason for that.

    How do you deal with people with whom you cannot communicate? They don't speak your language and you don't speak theirs? The truth is, most of the time you shrug and walk on. Since you can't communicate with them, your ability to interact with them is severely limited.

    That's no way for the citizenry of a nation to live, unable to communicate. That's why we need a common language. The proliferation of immigrants both legal and not who are NOT assimiliating is why we need to make it official.
    Excellent post. The bolded part is exactly the problem, in a nutshell, that we are seeing now all over the country. People do not have to learn English because everything they need is provided to them in their own language. It is creating population microcosms based upon common language, and those microcosms do not identify with the nation as a whole. Also, these microcosms are, unlike previous large influx immigrations, multi-generational. This has already created a major divide between populations which can only get worse as time goes on.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 06-19-11 at 01:03 AM.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Are you going to guarantee me that those lands will always be autonomous?
    Our government doesn't exactly have a great track record in keeping treaties with the tribes.
    I wonder how autonomous those tribes would be if gas starts hitting 6,7,8,9,10dollars a gallon,and oil was found underneath them.
    I personally can't guarantee it, but I would support a Constitutional amendment to that affect if you and other American Indian activists saw fit to push for it.

    However, for the most part, in recent decades, the autonomy seems to be largely in tact...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ahhh, that didn't take long. So it's about those bean eating Mexicans. Maybe people wouldn't hate them so much if they'd learn a little bit about their language and culture.

    Are you demanding those damned injuns learned to speak "white" as well?
    Didn't take much to be called racist either.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am asking this question because of an ongoing discussion .

    here.

    Should English be declared the official language of the United States?
    No. If people want to learn it, they'll learn it. If they don't, they won't. The end.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't know how many ways to say this: A nation needs a common tongue. It needs ONE language that everyone is supposed to be able to speak, at least well enough to hold a conversation.
    And I don't know how many ways to say this: None of that is predicated on English being the official language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin
    I am concerned that the rise in "diversity" and "accomodation" is going to water it down to the point where English is no longer the nation's common tongue,
    What rise in diversity and accommodation are you talking about? We've always had English as a de facto national language, we've always had immigrants from non-English speaking countries, we've always had some first-generation immigrants who didn't or couldn't learn English, and we've always had second-generation immigrants fully assimilate into American culture and speak English. This has been the case for over 200 years. So what exactly has changed that has you so worried?

    and where we have people who are both American citizens who can't talk to each other and feel alienated from one another.
    Except that isn't going to happen, and never has...despite English never being the official language.

    Diversity of culture is difficult, but I think we can remain a nation and deal with it. Diversity of language, to the point where half the citizenry can't speak with the other half, will likely destroy us as a nation.
    I don't disagree...now why does English need to be the official language in order to prevent that from happening, when it has never been a problem?
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay? Everybody is different. How old were they when they immigrated? Did they immigrate to a city? Mine landed on a farm in Swan River, MN. The kids spoke English at school and Finnish at home.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Didn't take much to be called racist either.
    LOL! I imagine that happens to you a lot.










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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Did you have to eat those gawd awful lute fish?
    Lutefisk? NEVAR!! But I do love pickled herring.

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