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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That might be because it was part of Mexico... and guess what, there was a revolution and Texas gained its independence from Mexico... and many of the rebels were ENGLISH-speakers...
    Thank you for the history lesson...

    After Texas became part of the US, people in Texas still learned Spanish to make communication easier.

    There is no evidence that not having a national language is hurting the US in any way. So why change?
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    My grandparents immigrated from Quebec. They both learned English and spoke it rather well...
    Okay? Everybody is different. How old were they when they immigrated? Did they immigrate to a city? Mine landed on a farm in Swan River, MN. The kids spoke English at school and Finnish at home.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    I was at WalMart 3 days ago and NO ONE (no kidding, except employees) was speaking English! All Spanish! I was really upset. THEN to top things off I saw a Link card (tax payers money funded for food and care) that this, what is most likely, a illegal Latino woman was given. I ask her if it was easy to get. She couldnt speak ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!! Now how does this illegal get OUR money when she shouldnt even be in America!??! She had to have her 11 year old daughter speak for her!
    I wanted to rip that ****ing card out of her hand.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay? Everybody is different. How old were they when they immigrated? Did they immigrate to a city? Mine landed on a farm in Swan River, MN. The kids spoke English at school and Finnish at home.
    I sincerely doubt, however, that the kids joined a Finnish activist group, and although completely fluent in English insisted upon speaking Finnish when they attended community meetings.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thank you for the history lesson...

    After Texas became part of the US, people in Texas still learned Spanish to make communication easier.

    There is no evidence that not having a national language is hurting the US in any way. So why change?

    We have a large and growing group of immigrants, mainly hispanic, mostly from Mexico; many of whom are here illegally; many of whom are not intrested in assimilating and "Becoming American" but simply reaping the benefits of our system; many of whom are making little or no effort to learn English.

    How do you get by in a country when you don't speak the most common lanugage? Answer: you hang out with those who speak YOUR language; do biz with them, work for them, identify with them. It is yet another way of creating schizm within the nation, where you have a large and growing group who does not identify with the mainstream culture at all, doesn't speak the language, and doesn't really care as long as we bend over backwards to accomodate THEM.

    Too much of this and we really will become "Two Americas"... or three, or four, etc.

    Maintaining a sense of "we're all Americans" can be difficult enough in the diversity that this nation has.... lacking the ability to SPEAK to each other is a good way to finish off any sense of fellow-citizenship that might have grown between this and that group.

    When you walk into the middle of a group of people who are speaking a language you don't know, what is your gut reaction? Do you think of them as fellow Americans, or assume they are "other", "alien", "foreigners"? Most people assume the latter. There's a reason for that.

    How do you deal with people with whom you cannot communicate? They don't speak your language and you don't speak theirs? The truth is, most of the time you shrug and walk on. Since you can't communicate with them, your ability to interact with them is severely limited.

    That's no way for the citizenry of a nation to live, unable to communicate. That's why we need a common language. The proliferation of immigrants both legal and not who are NOT assimiliating is why we need to make it official.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Common sense and factual information are not always compatible. What you haven't given me is documentation. You've made a statement and you've asked me to accept it as "common sense". Common sense doesn't make anything true.
    I doubt there are any reliable statistics on a global basis, but let's look at some of the world's largest countries...

    China-- the vast majority of people speak only Mandarin, and elderly speak only their native local language. Not many speak a foreign language like English.
    India -- promotes English as a national language, but according to friends of mine who have traveled there, few people outside the cities (and even many inside the cities) can't speak it and only speak their regional language.
    United States - vast majority speak only English
    Indonesia -- very complicated... educated can speak Bahasa Indonesia and their local language, but the vast majority of people outside of north-eastern Sumatra or parts of Java can't speak it and only speak their local language.
    Pakistan - see India
    Japan -- vast majority speak only Japanese
    Nigeria - English is the language of government, but only the educated can speak it. The vast majority speak only their local language
    Brazil - vast majority speak only Portuguese
    Russia - vast majority speak only Russian
    Bangladesh - some speak English (generally educated classes) but vast majority speak only Bengali or other local languages

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I sincerely doubt, however, that the kids joined a Finnish activist group, and although completely fluent in English insisted upon speaking Finnish when they attended community meetings.
    Yes, they did. I believe the meetings were called "Saturday Night Saunas."

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay? Everybody is different. How old were they when they immigrated? Did they immigrate to a city? Mine landed on a farm in Swan River, MN. The kids spoke English at school and Finnish at home.
    small rural state, where most Quebecois immigrants of the era settled (northern New England states -- mine in NH)... not sure how old they were...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Yes, they did. I believe the meetings were called "Saturday Night Saunas."
    Not exactly La Raza, Aztlan or Reconquista.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I was at WalMart 3 days ago and NO ONE (no kidding, except employees) was speaking English! All Spanish! I was really upset. THEN to top things off I saw a Link card (tax payers money funded for food and care) that this, what is most likely, a illegal Latino woman was given. I ask her if it was easy to get. She couldnt speak ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!! Now how does this illegal get OUR money when she shouldnt even be in America!??! She had to have her 11 year old daughter speak for her!
    I wanted to rip that ****ing card out of her hand.
    Just because she couldn't speak English does not mean she is here illegally. Many immigrate legally and have difficulty learning the language, particularly Spanish-speakers because as I've pointed out they can get everything they need from tv/radio to restaurants to retail establishments, all of which are bilingual. In too many places one cannot even get an entry level job at a fast food joint or a WalMart without being bilingual. That is what chaps my hide. But I do not presume that any non-English-speaking Latinas (females are Lantina, males are Latino) are automatically illegal. That would be terribly unfair to those who have come here legally on work visas.

    Chances are that her daughter is a US citizen, and the welfare card you saw is to support the child. I understand where you're coming from here. I too result the ease with which illegals using stolen ID's can head straight for the welfare office, which btw is forbidden by law to ask about immigration status, to stick their hands in the taxpayers' pocket. Just cautioning you about presuming that everyone who can't speak English must be illegal. I know for a fact that is untrue.

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