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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The vast majority of bi/multi-lingual countries around the world have serious problems with national identity. Groups are often divided by and identify themselves by ethno-linguistic lines. Yeah, people will cite Switzerland, but it is very much the exception, and for much of its own history, there were ethno-linguistic divisions within the country. OK, SUI is one success, but the others are very few and far between. In fact, many countries around the world with many languages spoken within the country promote a single national language, including Taiwan where I currently reside, but China, Indonesia and many others do the same thing. This is to promote a common identity and to make commuication by people throughout the country easier and more efficient.
    There still are ethnolinguistic divisions within Switzerland. Our neighbors and dear friends came from Switzerland, and were in fact there during WW2. There were clear prejudices based upon the language spoken, with German-speakers, like the husband, considered top-tier and Italian-speakers, like the wife, to be third rate, and treated accordingly. Only the Romash-speakers were treated worse.

    A common language really is key to a strong, vibrant, cohesive... and most important to me... equal populace, in my opinion.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And it still is. So why does it need to be the de jure national language too?



    This is a myth, and I'm not sure where it comes from. Immigrants to the United States have mostly spoken languages other than English (some learned English, some didn't), and their children have always assimilated and spoken English. And we HAVE "bent over backward to accommodate people" for most of our nation's history. So I'm not seeing the problem. Are we in the midst of some crisis that threatens to fragment the nation? Because most second-generation immigrants today speak English far better than they speak their parents' language (if they speak their parents' language at all).



    Good for you. What does it have to do with English being the official language? What purpose does it serve, other than to discriminate against immigrants?

    I don't know how many ways to say this: A nation needs a common tongue. It needs ONE language that everyone is supposed to be able to speak, at least well enough to hold a conversation. A sense of fellow-citizen-feeling is damn near impossible with someone you can't even communicate with. I am concerned that the rise in "diversity" and "accomodation" is going to water it down to the point where English is no longer the nation's common tongue, and where we have people who are both American citizens who can't talk to each other and feel alienated from one another.

    Diversity of culture is difficult, but I think we can remain a nation and deal with it. Diversity of language, to the point where half the citizenry can't speak with the other half, will likely destroy us as a nation.

    Communication is vital to diplomacy and trade. You know what the main alternative to diplomacy and trade is? Violence. Those are the three ways in which humans mainly interact. The only one that does NOT require communication is violence.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    For most of our history English was the de-facto national language, and if you did not speak it "tough **** amigo". It is only in recent times that we have so many people who think we should bend over backward to accomodate people who come to this country and won't learn to speak the common fracking language!

    Good lord, if I moved to France, the first thing I'd start doing is LEARN to speak FRENCH!!
    No disrespect intended,but are you saying my Mothers ancestors the Lakota were speaking English for thousands of years.
    What about the Cherokee,the Hopi,the Cochiti ,the Havasupai, the Hualapai Indians ,the Navajo,the Iroqios,the Blackfoot,and all the other indigenous tribe that were here for generations before the European Conquest.
    Are you saying that they don't count?
    That nothing of any importance or consequence EVER happened on this continent prior to the Europeans setting foot on this land.?

    Exactly how many representatives from Native Tribes were there at the Constitutional Convention (for that matter,how many representatives for the blacks and woman) were there?

    Just asking.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    No disrespect intended,but are you saying my Mothers ancestors the Lakota were speaking English for thousands of years.
    What about the Cherokee,the Hopi,the Cochiti ,the Havasupai, the Hualapai Indians ,the Navajo,the Iroqios,the Blackfoot,and all the other indigenous tribe that were here for generations before the European Conquest.
    Are you saying that they don't count?
    That nothing of any importance or consequence EVER happened on this continent prior to the Europeans setting foot on this land.?

    Exactly how many representatives from Native Tribes were there at the Constitutional Convention (for that matter,how many representatives for the blacks and woman) were there?

    Just asking.
    Bud, what happened 200-300 yrs ago is moot now. I'm talking about what is going on NOW. We need a common language. It isn't going to be Lakota, sorry; not enough people speak it.


    And don't tell me I don't care about Native issues; I've got enough Cherokee and Creek in my ancestry that people sometimes notice and ask me about it. Thing is, that bird has flown long ago; we're talking about what it takes to keep a country a country today.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    My birth father was first generation Finn American. I don't think his father ever learned English, but all his children did.
    My grandparents immigrated from Quebec. They both learned English and spoke it rather well...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    For most of our history English was the de-facto national language, and if you did not speak it "tough **** amigo". It is only in recent times that we have so many people who think we should bend over backward to accomodate people who come to this country and won't learn to speak the common fracking language!

    Good lord, if I moved to France, the first thing I'd start doing is LEARN to speak FRENCH!!
    In Texas people where learning Spanish way back in the 1800's...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    No disrespect intended,but are you saying my Mothers ancestors the Lakota were speaking English for thousands of years.
    What about the Cherokee,the Hopi,the Cochiti ,the Havasupai, the Hualapai Indians ,the Navajo,the Iroqios,the Blackfoot,and all the other indigenous tribe that were here for generations before the European Conquest.
    Are you saying that they don't count?
    That nothing of any importance or consequence EVER happened on this continent prior to the Europeans setting foot on this land.?

    Exactly how many representatives from Native Tribes were there at the Constitutional Convention (for that matter,how many representatives for the blacks and woman) were there?

    Just asking.
    A national official language would, of course, not be applicable to tribal lands as they have autonomy.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In Texas people where learning Spanish way back in the 1800's...
    That might be because it was part of Mexico... and guess what, there was a revolution and Texas gained its independence from Mexico... and many of the rebels were ENGLISH-speakers...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Common sense should tell you that... educated people around the world can often speak two or more languages, but peasants in the countryside in most Third World countries and even lesser educated people in first world countries can generally only speak a single language.
    Common sense and factual information are not always compatible. What you haven't given me is documentation. You've made a statement and you've asked me to accept it as "common sense". Common sense doesn't make anything true.










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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That might be because it was part of Mexico... and guess what, there was a revolution and Texas gained its independence from Mexico... and many of the rebels were ENGLISH-speakers...
    ... and we don't want the same thing happening to us, in reverse....

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