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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Why resent it? Actually, it is largely because Taiwanese are generally very pro-American and the American dialect of English is what is typically taught here. And the word for U.S. literally means 'beautiful country'. What is there to be resentful about?
    I'm not American and I speak English, that's why I resent it.
    However, once again, to counter what some people have said, the country where I live has an official language, but many other languages are in use and are not under threat from the fact that Mandarin is official.
    I'm not saying that, I'm just saying if all official documents have to be in English, it places recent immigrants at an unnecessary disadvantage. An official language has no real benefit, except when used, like in Ireland or New Zealand, to preserve a tradition language. English is in no danger of being forgotten, whereas Maori or Gaelic are.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Oh, and I guess Native Americans never went to war with EACH OTHER? Right.
    Please do not try to equate warfare between regional tribes (which usually at most cost the lives of several hundred people at each skirmish with the systematic and wholesale landtheft,ethnic cleansing,and attempts at genocide which has cost thousands upon thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans lives.


    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    This is real life. There's no "original sin." Everyone has someone in their family tree with blood on their hands, if you go back far enough. It's just DNA - it says nothing about who that individual is as a person. I bet my ancestors had slaves. Does that make me pro-slavery? I bet your ancestors killed some people from other Native American tribes. Should I blame you?
    I don't excuse the blood on my ancestors hands,and I don't condone it.
    But I'm not going to let that negate the blood on the hands of those who killed my ancestors for their land either.

    Please put up the post where I blamed any modern person here for the atrocities committed in the past against my ancestors.
    If you can,seeing as how I didn't.
    Post 95 was only an analogy (and a bad one at that I admit) and not a direct blame on any modern person,

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post

    Trying to guilt people who have nothing to do with whatever historical thing you won't let go of is completely pointless to the conversation. Nothing you've said has anything to do with having a national language. You're not even participating in the debate. Just flinging about emotionally-laden but argumentatively fallacious side-tracks from the conversation the rest of us are trying to have.
    Have you even actually carefully read all my posts?
    And yet no one has come forward to claim that anything I've said was inaccurate or untrue.

    I have stated a number of times on this thread that the logic used to support an Official Language (that the majority does it and has done it for a long time) can also be used to support an Official Religion, an official Ideology,or an Official Race.
    No one has come out and refuted that.
    Because it is a valid point.

    I have asked what safeguards are in place to prevent that sort of thing from happening.
    A valid question.
    The answer has thus far seems to boil down to "there is no guarantee,you just going to have to trust us".

    I have pointed out that an "Official language" can be turned into a "Forced/Mandatory Language" and used examples from my ancestry and my own past as to show how it can happen and the affects it can cause.
    A valid point

    Again,no one refuted the accuracy or the validity of it.

    I have asked if there is a guarantee that atrocities cannot by committed because of it(Making English "Official).
    A valid question
    Again the answer boiled down to "no guarantee,you are just going to have to trust us".

    I have asked why should we even need an "Official Language"
    A valid question.
    The general answer has been (including your's) "because other countries do it".
    Very little statistical data or evidence that it can have benefits for us in this country.
    It seems to me that's the equivalent of saying "because we say so".

    Just because you and some others may not like the questions I ask,or the points I have made, doesn't mean that I have not participated or addad to this discussion.



    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post

    Most developed countries, with the best standard of living and the lowest crime, have a national language. The implementation of declaring an official language is well-known, well-practiced, and has nothing to do with ethnic, cultural, or territorial war. It is obvious to everyone but you that what you're saying has no bearing on the concept at hand.
    In other words " because other countries do it"
    Do you have any statistics on this. Any empirical evidence.
    I'd love to see it cause so far,none has been shown.
    Show me how doing so will benefit this country.
    If that's not too much to ask.

    Can you give a hundred percent guarantee that there is absolutely no racism/bigotry nor ulterior motives within anyone who supports
    making English the "Official language".
    Because there seems to be a number of people on this thread asking that very same question.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Everyone in the United States is either an immigrant or the descedant of immigrants, PERIOD!
    Depends.

    For most intents and purposes, the Indians were always here. Of course the anthros say they came from Asia...but if you're going to go waaaaay back like that, why not just say we're all African since everybody's DNA can be traced back there?

    I think if I went to Sudan and tried to pass myself off as African, they'd laugh at me.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    That's actually a good point considering that every region of the country speaks a different dialect of the language. A man like with me, with a southern drawl, would have a hard time in Boston and visa versa.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Yes. The majority of the country already speaks it.

    The majority of all legal processes are held in English.

    Hey get this...the Contstitution is written in English.

    All of our laws are on the books in English.

    Our textbooks are in English.

    I can keep going.

    But my favorite, most selfish reason is that I'm sick and tired of pressing one for English when the VAST majority already speaks it!
    So you'd marginalize millions of people to keep from havig to push a button?

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by stelz View Post
    It's horrifyingly easy to fall into the behaviors he's talking about. Look at Germany - one day everybody's told that the economy's bad because the Jews are taking everything, so they're going to "relocate" them. Sounds harmless enough, doesn't it? Next thing you know they're going along with the story that Auschwitz smells the way it does because it's a "sausage factory". They know what it is, but they have to go along with that story if they want to live. My area was settled by Germans in the 1800's, most of the white people here are of German descent and they're not inherently sick or vicious at all, a lot of them are wonderful. It's just that the ones over in Germany in the 1930's allowed themselves to be sucked in by xenophobic propaganda. Then it was too late.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'm not American and I speak English, that's why I resent it.
    So, what is wrong with referring to the American dialect of English as "American"?


    I'm not saying that, I'm just saying if all official documents have to be in English, it places recent immigrants at an unnecessary disadvantage. An official language has no real benefit, except when used, like in Ireland or New Zealand, to preserve a tradition language. English is in no danger of being forgotten, whereas Maori or Gaelic are.
    All official documents SHOULD be in an official language. Even the UN has official languages in which all of its documents are published in. What about all of the people around the world who don't speak one of its six official languages?
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Can you give a hundred percent guarantee that there is absolutely no racism/bigotry nor ulterior motives within anyone who supports
    making English the "Official language".
    Because there seems to be a number of people on this thread asking that very same question.
    You can't give a 100% guarantee from any group of people on the planet that there is no racism or bigotry among those who support a political position. ANY political position. And it doesn't matter. It is about what is best for the United States. Unless the U.S. would like to become among the many bi/multi-lingual states with fractured identities, ethnic clashes and seperatist/irredentist movements...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by stelz View Post
    Depends.

    For most intents and purposes, the Indians were always here. Of course the anthros say they came from Asia...but if you're going to go waaaaay back like that, why not just say we're all African since everybody's DNA can be traced back there?

    I think if I went to Sudan and tried to pass myself off as African, they'd laugh at me.
    But they are still immigrants... hey, I am part Canadian First Nations myself... many Quebecois are...

    It doesn't change the fact that in order to promote national identity and cohesiveness, the U.S. needs a single national, official language... and if states (like Hawaii and Alaska) declare a second language as official for State business, that is up to them... but the official language of the Federal government ought to be English...
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by stelz View Post
    A pocketbook is a purse.
    A tonic is a soda.
    A bubbler is a water fountain.
    Not difficult.
    And Moxie is way better than Coke...
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