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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    I have no problem with migrant workers with their working visas not knowing English but yeah I think it should be the official language of the United States. I mean doesn't Canada have English and French as their official languages and Spanish as the official language in Spain and Mexico? Seems to only make sense to me and if it benefits racist or not whatever.

    On that note, if we make the official language English I don't want to be talking to anyone on a phone lone that says "Thank you sir John how may I help you today." all the way from India, and bring those jobs back to the United States.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Please. Every time someone says they support making English an official language in America, someone says they just hate Mexicans. It's been racial for pretty much the whole debate.

    No, it isn't. We live in a different time, with a different culture, and everyone who perpetrated those things has been dead for a very long time. What happened hundreds of years ago is irrelevant to the situation now, and irrelevant to the discussion of what is the best course of action now.
    While no one here is seems to be denying that atrocities were committed in the past, you saying that they are irrelevant to the present does not necessarily make it so.
    Those who forget about the past are doomed to repeat it.So are those who choose to ignore it.

    And again I ask,is there a guarantee that the atrocities committed in the past cannot and will not be committed in the future.
    I say while times my change, people are people, and people do will do really nasty things to one another if allowed to.

    And what's the uses of making English "official" if it is not "enforceable"' or the ultimately "mandatory"?

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    While no one here is seems to be denying that atrocities were committed in the past, you saying that they are irrelevant to the present does not necessarily make it so.
    Those who forget about the past are doomed to repeat it.So are those who choose to ignore it.

    And again I ask,is there a guarantee that the atrocities committed in the past cannot and will not be committed in the future.
    I say while times my change, people are people, and people do will do really nasty things to one another if allowed to.

    And what's the uses of making English "official" if it is not "enforceable"' or the ultimately "mandatory"?
    Assuming the course of action were anything like actions from the past that may be true, but it isn't.

    There's only a handful of countries on the planet that don't have an official language (or sometimes a couple). I don't see genocides and forced assimilation happening around the concept of a national language in the entire developed world apart from us and Japan that has a national language. We are not discussing anything other than the same thing those 100+ countries have already done.

    It's not related to the current discussion at all.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Its OUR land. We won it with our blood.
    By spilling the blood of the people who already lived here for thousands of years.
    By ethnic cleansing.
    By genocide.
    By culturecide to a indigenous population that was only defending the only home it knew for thousands of year,defending it's culture and it's way of life.
    It's the same thing Rome did.

    It seems to me that you are saying "Might Makes Right"
    Those who conquer always end up getting conquered in the end.
    Making "English Official" is not going to stop an determined invasion.

    Gee,having your birthland overunned,having your way of life threatened,by an invading culture/population sucks,doesn't it?

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    Plus it is not the fault of the US that Mexico is a **** hole. Italians are doing well with Italy.... and so on.[/QUOTE]
    Are you saying that we've never stuck our noses into our neighbors business to the south.

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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Yes. The majority of the country already speaks it.

    The majority of all legal processes are held in English.

    Hey get this...the Contstitution is written in English.

    All of our laws are on the books in English.

    Our textbooks are in English.

    I can keep going.

    But my favorite, most selfish reason is that I'm sick and tired of pressing one for English when the VAST majority already speaks it!
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We have a large and growing group of immigrants, mainly hispanic, mostly from Mexico; many of whom are here illegally; many of whom are not intrested in assimilating and "Becoming American" but simply reaping the benefits of our system; many of whom are making little or no effort to learn English.

    How do you get by in a country when you don't speak the most common lanugage? Answer: you hang out with those who speak YOUR language; do biz with them, work for them, identify with them. It is yet another way of creating schizm within the nation, where you have a large and growing group who does not identify with the mainstream culture at all, doesn't speak the language, and doesn't really care as long as we bend over backwards to accomodate THEM.

    Too much of this and we really will become "Two Americas"... or three, or four, etc.

    Maintaining a sense of "we're all Americans" can be difficult enough in the diversity that this nation has.... lacking the ability to SPEAK to each other is a good way to finish off any sense of fellow-citizenship that might have grown between this and that group.

    When you walk into the middle of a group of people who are speaking a language you don't know, what is your gut reaction? Do you think of them as fellow Americans, or assume they are "other", "alien", "foreigners"? Most people assume the latter. There's a reason for that.

    How do you deal with people with whom you cannot communicate? They don't speak your language and you don't speak theirs? The truth is, most of the time you shrug and walk on. Since you can't communicate with them, your ability to interact with them is severely limited.

    That's no way for the citizenry of a nation to live, unable to communicate. That's why we need a common language. The proliferation of immigrants both legal and not who are NOT assimiliating is why we need to make it official.
    Sorry Goshin, but you are seeing the surface and not the depth. It has been my experience that most second generation hispanics are multilingual, and by third generation speak Spanish as a second language if at all. This has been largely true throughout our history, as has claims that certain groups just ain't fitting in. Used to be, the Irish just where not making the effort to fit in, living in their own neighborhoods, marrying other Irish, going to their own churches. Don't forget the Italians. They even spoke their own language, for a couple generations.

    Assimilation is inevitable. Making a major change to our laws to appease a few scared people is not going to speed it up.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    In 2011 America, in order to get a part time job, you MUST speak Spanish. This is total crap. And thats in Chicago! The middle of America. We 100% need to stop illegals getting our tax dollars for support and THEY need to get the hell out OR speak English. It is very insulting that they cant / wont. We provide them MANY benefits and they kick us in the ass. That is not honerable and should not be tolerated.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Its OUR land. We won it with our blood. Plus it is not the fault of the US that Mexico is a **** hole. Italians are doing well with Italy.... and so on.
    You bled how much making this "our" country? Why are you so focused on Mexicans. What do you have against people who are in this country legally? Some of those actually have bled for this country. And when the Italians came here, hey, they spoke their own language for a couple generations.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    By spilling the blood of the people who already lived here for thousands of years.
    By ethnic cleansing.
    By genocide.
    By culturecide to a indigenous population that was only defending the only home it knew for thousands of year,defending it's culture and it's way of life.
    It's the same thing Rome did.

    It seems to me that you are saying "Might Makes Right"
    Those who conquer always end up getting conquered in the end.
    Making "English Official" is not going to stop an determined invasion.

    Gee,having your birthland overunned,having your way of life threatened,by an invading culture/population sucks,doesn't it?
    Oh, and I guess Native Americans never went to war with EACH OTHER? Right.

    This is real life. There's no "original sin." Everyone has someone in their family tree with blood on their hands, if you go back far enough. It's just DNA - it says nothing about who that individual is as a person. I bet my ancestors had slaves. Does that make me pro-slavery? I bet your ancestors killed some people from other Native American tribes. Should I blame you?

    Trying to guilt people who have nothing to do with whatever historical thing you won't let go of is completely pointless to the conversation. Nothing you've said has anything to do with having a national language. You're not even participating in the debate. Just flinging about emotionally-laden but argumentatively fallacious side-tracks from the conversation the rest of us are trying to have.

    Most developed countries, with the best standard of living and the lowest crime, have a national language. The implementation of declaring an official language is well-known, well-practiced, and has nothing to do with ethnic, cultural, or territorial war. It is obvious to everyone but you that what you're saying has no bearing on the concept at hand.
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    Re: Should English be declared the official language of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many languages can you speak?
    Which of course begs the question - if all they speak is their native language, why should we do any different.

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