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Thread: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Puerto Rico will likely be the 51st state at some point in my lifetime...
    I wouldn't hold your breath on that.
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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The District of Columbia is not a very big place anyone who lives there and wants to have a state Government can just move a few miles a way to a real state.
    Assuming they can afford it. With a lot of DC residents, that's not the case.

    So, essentially we've created a big old ghetto with no representation in Congress. Of course, they still have to pay taxes...whatever happened to "No taxation without representation?"

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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because it is district that was part of the State of Maryland specifically ceded to the federal government to be the national capital of the country. Wyoming was a territory carved out of the Louisiana Purchase which was acquired via Federal Treaty. Big difference...
    Wyoming wasn't in the Louisiana Purchase. I think most of it was part of the Mexican Cession. A small part of it was part of Texas originally, if I'm not mistaken.

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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    DC receives far more. It isn't a self sufficient city by any means. Maryland didn't want it because of the cost. I think it's best staying as a territory of the federal government subject to Congress. It's the federal city home to congressional buildings, the capitol, and many other important federal agencies. It's better off being run and funded by the federal government and not turned into an independent state that now houses the branches of the federal government.

    So how will DC be paid for as a state? As I said, the main reason is the sheer cost of the city. DC should not become a state. It's best for the country to have it remain as a federal territory under the jurisdiction of Congress. I think it's important that Congress keep ultimate power over DC and not have it turn into an independent state run by an independent state government. Maryland gave up its land to the federal government to create a federal district, not to create a new state.
    I would just like to mention, that a significant portion of the federal funds that go to DC don't necessarily help the citizens of DC, nor do they help to make the city a better place. All that federal money being used to run the federal bureacracy is used to hire workers who generally live in suburban Maryland and Virginia, who are much more educated and skilled. The average DC resident really doesn't get ****. Few of those funds are being used to help DC public schools and fund social and emergency services, for instance. Only about 1/4 of the city budget is derived from federal tax revenue, and it sure as hell isn't helping that much because most of DC is still a cesspool.
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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't really have a major problem with them having a voting member in congress, but allowing that would open the door for other territories of the US like Puerto Rico and Guam having representation in Congress.
    I believe personally that as a general principle there should be no taxation without representation. Puerto Ricans and DC residents pay federal taxes. They should have a voice, at least.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Wyoming wasn't in the Louisiana Purchase. I think most of it was part of the Mexican Cession. A small part of it was part of Texas originally, if I'm not mistaken.
    You are mostly mistaken.

    The vast majority was indeed taken from the territory of the Louisiana Purchase (map)

    Small parts came out of the Texas Annexation, the Mexican Cession, and the Oregon Country (map)
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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I believe personally that as a general principle there should be no taxation without representation. Puerto Ricans and DC residents pay federal taxes. They should have a voice, at least.
    Actually, Puerto Ricans living on the island of Puerto Rico do NOT pay federal income taxes, though those living in the mainland DO, but they also have the right to vote in the areas in which they life.
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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because it is district that was part of the State of Maryland specifically ceded to the federal government to be the national capital of the country. Wyoming was a territory carved out of the Louisiana Purchase which was acquired via Federal Treaty. Big difference...
    Just divide the functions of the state and capital, problem solved. Federal stuff works like it does in any other state. problem solved.

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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Yes, they should have representation. The argument that it would disrupt the balance of red states to blue states is a ridiculous ground to try and construct an argument on.
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    Re: Should Washington D.C. become a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, Puerto Ricans living on the island of Puerto Rico do NOT pay federal income taxes, though those living in the mainland DO, but they also have the right to vote in the areas in which they life.
    They still pay federal taxes in the form of excise taxes, payroll, etc., but you raise a good point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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