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Is Abortion wrong?

Is abortion wrong?

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Risky Thicket said:
Wake, I'd like to respond truthfully, but I was recently awarded three points for suggesting that another poster had the brains of a large rabbit. I can't afford to do that twice, so I won't. I would ask, sincerely, the point of your question? Along the lines of RM's post I would suggest that asking if abortions are wrong is also asking if abortions are "right". I don't know that the question is valid or at least I would suggest that the question is poorly worded.

I would never suggest that you were trolling, but I could understand where some might think so.
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More to the point, my dear friend, is this question: If you think this question isn't valid... even though every debate on abortion stems from this... why would you ever have a position or take a stand? I merely bring up the heart of the issue.

And to be sincere, I wonder why you seem so dubiously intolerant of such simple and straight-forward questions. If it troubles you, and others, then perhaps you shouldn't throw a hat into this philosophical arena. How loud such squawking can be..

The question in the OP is valid. We've only been debating this question since abortion itself.
 
Your Star said:
There is no prostitution involved, he is not a pimp.
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so you're saying actual "prostitution" makes a difference? why? it's her body. she can make money off
of it if she wants. and if an enterprising man comes along and manages her body for a fee? hey........it's
all good, as long as he gets her to the abortion clinic on time for those little mishaps................right?
 
Your Star said:
Doubtful, most of these people only care about the baby until it is born, then it can go screw itself.
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Standard talking point bs that can't be substantiated.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Mac, glad you chimed in. How about you responding to my post #92.

Very Respectfully Yours Sir!
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I will take up post #92.

You think that your idea of helping the child is the only way to help the child. If someone doesn't support those ways they are obviously out to kill the child after it is born. There I took up post #92 and I hope you enjoy the answer.
 
Your Star said:
You know who I consider a feminist, Hugh Hefner, he believes women are equal, and fought for our rights, so obviously you and I have very different views of what a feminist is. Mine is rooted in reality though.

And you can't get passed that it takes two to make a baby, and you hold just as much responsibility.
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Did someone watch CNN yesterday? lol
 
Henrin said:
I will take up post #92.

You think that your idea of helping the child is the only way to help the child. If someone doesn't support those ways they are obviously out to kill the child after it is born. There I took up post #92 and I hope you enjoy the answer.
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I'm be happy to respond to your post when you can offer alternative ways to provide a safety net for the approximate 1.3 additional children born "each and every year" and might require public support until they reach the age of 18.
 
Removable Mind said:
I'm be happy to respond to your post when you can offer alternative ways to provide a safety net for the approximate 1.3 additional children born "each and every year" and might require public support until they reach the age of 18.
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Who said safety nets are the best way to help? You did, and you have blocked your mind of all other solutions. This kind of debate is worthless and its why no one is going to have it with you.
 
Henrin said:
Who said safety nets are the best way to help? You did, and you have blocked your mind of all other solutions. This kind of debate is worthless and its why no one is going to have it with you.
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Your response is exactly as I expected. Thanks for playing. NEXT POSTER PLEASE!
 
DiAnna said:
Out of curiosity, how would you "punish" a woman who had an abortion?
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She should pay a price. But the ones who need to pay more are the so-called doctors who perform the abortions.
 
Your Star said:
You can keep your dick out of a vagina until you are able to support a kid. A pregnancy can't happen unless you have sex, you are responsible.
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Your Star said:
What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously, learn about feminism before you spout off ignorant crap. And you can't get around the fact that a pregnancy through sexual intercourse can't happen without a guy involved, and he should face the full consequences for his actions.
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Those are very good arguments. Why don't they apply to women?
 
I've noticed several accusations of irresponsibility on the part of women seeking abortions. Women who have abortions, by definition, cannot be totally irresponsible, by getting an abortion, they are doing the socially responsible thing.
 
NGNM85 said:
I've noticed several accusations of irresponsibility on the part of women seeking abortions. Women who have abortions, by definition, cannot be totally irresponsible, by getting an abortion, they are doing the socially responsible thing.
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Well, NGNM85, apparently, to some, here in the U.S., women in general, have no more value than women in a number of middle eastern countries. Their primary purposes are to provide sex, be maids, bear children, be responsible for all of the domestic tasks, etc. Women in those countries have few rights at all. That is to say that women bear the responsibilities necessary to please men regardless of the consequences, which can certainly be fatal in various cases.

Having sex creates babies. Men are 100% necessary in the process. That makes them equally responsible for birth control. If, during the heat of a moment, if a women doesn't have a contraceptive, then the burdens falls on man, period. Simple, huh? NOT.... That's NOT THE REAL WORLD. That's not the reality.

What some in this forum may be saying is the following (which might be a statistical sample of our nations mindset):

Women get pregnant, they automatically become irresponsible sluts. So the burden of her future circumstance of her pregnancy becomes hers alone because SHE FAILED to do whatever was necessary to prevent a pregnancy so she has to suffer the consequences.

Sad, NGN...sad.
 
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digsbe said:
And the left wing doesn't?
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We've had this argument before and you keep trying to declare the neutral position on the issue as an imposition of morality. Again: I don't care whether or not a woman has an abortion, I only care that she has the room to make that choice for herself. How is that imposing my views on abortion itself on her? You might as well be arguing that atheism is a religion and we venerate the non-existent atheism nothingness.
 
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Here is how you can determine the answer. Should abortion be allowed in every case with no restrictions? Should abortion be an alternative to birth control? If you have hesitations, perhaps you should ask why.
 
friday said:
Here is how you can determine the answer. Should abortion be allowed in every case with no restrictions? Should abortion be an alternative to birth control? If you have hesitations, perhaps you should ask why.
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Ultimately, this thorny issue reduces to two primary issues; what constitutes a human being, and how we perform our respective moral calculations. Virtually all of the arguments on this issue revolve around one, or both of these tracks.
 
NGNM85 said:
I've noticed several accusations of irresponsibility on the part of women seeking abortions. Women who have abortions, by definition, cannot be totally irresponsible, by getting an abortion, they are doing the socially responsible thing.
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yeah. then so is the woman who leaves her 2 week old baby to die in a dumpster being "responsible". or the muslim who beheads
his own daughter over suspicion of sexual promiscuity "responsible". murder is a very "responsible" act, it is.
 
Your Star said:
They do, but they also apply to men. He was suggesting otherwise.
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It is strange that it appears that more people believe these arguments should only apply to men, or only to women, than believe that they should apply-- or not apply-- to both equally.
 
digsbe said:
And? So that means we shouldn't care about the unborn because born children suffer?
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Partially, yes. First of all, a ZEF does not have the characteristics of an actual person, logically or legally. Second, actual children should be a priority over a ZEF.

digsbe said:
the atrocity against the unborn can easily be corrected by making abortion illegal and punishing women and providers who kill another human life.
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Easily corrected-What are you suggesting here, digs? Prison time? Fines? What would be the charges?


digsbe said:
Can you logically dismantle my example of how wrong it is to deny a human life rights based on a personal opinion of personhood?
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Your position on abortion is also based on your opinion of personhood, so no. That wont be necessary.

digsbe said:
I'm pro life not because I see women as "incubators" or want to deny women bodily sovereignty. I am pro-life because I support the human rights of the unborn and I believe that a woman shouldn't have the right to inhumanely kill another human life at a whim.
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A whim? There aren't many women who decide to get an abortion on a "whim." That's an ignorant assumption. And forcing women to continue an unwanted pregnancy is denying women their sovereignty. Many pro lifers see that, and instead make the argument that she has no sovereignty to begin with. Interesting.

digsbe said:
I have no problem giving the morning after pill to raped women, but a human life is a human life. Once the egg is fertilized she shouldn't have any right to kill the new human life regardless of how that life was conceived. I don't think the innocent human life should be executed for the crime that its father committed.
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The morning after pill can also "kill" a fertilized egg. Just thought you should know.


digsbe said:
Neither will murder, but I don't think we should legalize it for the safety of those who wish to kill a born person. The law recognizes injustice and attempts to correct it, it would be an even greater injustice to allow abortion to continue because some women may go through harmful lengths to kill their unborn children.
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It's illogical to enforce laws based on religious morality against certain personal behaviors, and such an action is not in the spirit of freedom.

RamFel said:
She may not want her pregnancy, but she doesn't get to make that choice.
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Who does?

RamFel said:
Yes, it's legal. But wrong. Morally, it's not her choice.
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Whose choices is then?

lewstherin said:
no. actually the unwanted child is an incidental consequence of a woman either being too stupid, or too lazy
to get a depo shot at the free clinic. if a woman can't afford a child, then she should be responsible enough
not to have one. she can either obtain birth control or keep her gaping hole shut.
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You obviously have a very poor view of women from your remarks here. No need to reaffirm that.

lewstherin said:
not according to the feminist agenda, i'm not. you women want the power and responsibility of the man AND the woman.
it's on you now.
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:roll: This is a joke, right?
 
lewstherin said:
yeah. then so is the woman who leaves her 2 week old baby to die in a dumpster being "responsible". or the muslim who beheads
his own daughter over suspicion of sexual promiscuity "responsible". murder is a very "responsible" act, it is.
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yep cause those are all idential acts LMAO
 
Centrist77 said:
yep cause those are all idential acts LMAO
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killing your kid is killing your kid. the only difference between getting an abortion
and dumping your baby in a dumpster to die after it's born is a matter of legality.
 
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