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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Well theres goes that.

    Can anyone else back up the false claim the abortion is no different than father chopping off their daughters head because they had sex before they should have or the same as throwing a 2 week old baby in a dumpster and that proves abortion is wrong.

    Abortion maybe wrong in ways but its right in others and it certainly isnt wrong because its the same as murdering your daughter for having sex to early thats just stupid and illogical.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Well theres goes that.

    Can anyone else back up the false claim the abortion is no different than father chopping off their daughters head because they had sex before they should have or the same as throwing a 2 week old baby in a dumpster and that proves abortion is wrong.

    Abortion maybe wrong in ways but its right in others and it certainly isnt wrong because its the same as murdering your daughter for having sex to early thats just stupid and illogical.
    I won't back up that claim, but I will say that both are murder morally speaking. A zef is a human life. It's an individual life and abortion is the killing of that individual life. It's the death of a human life at the elective choice of a pregnant woman, this is wrong.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I won't back up that claim, but I will say that both are murder morally speaking. A zef is a human life. It's an individual life and abortion is the killing of that individual life. It's the death of a human life at the elective choice of a pregnant woman, this is wrong.
    Sorrry Digs but currently 6/21/2011 in America abortion is not murder and thats a fact.
    You are only talking about what YOU view as YOUR morals, which is fine with me, im glad we live in a country where you get what you want and so do others.

    Now we just agree to disagree on our other opinions, legal abortion takes place before viablity so Ill never see it as ending a life because I cant find the logic to do so.

    I can also easily see the logic behind arguing that its wrong to bring a kid into the world that isnt wanted or cant be provided for. So stopping that before it happens for people that dont view unviable cells as life or killing have just as much ground to stand on as those who have different morals.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Sorrry Digs but currently 6/21/2011 in America abortion is not murder and thats a fact.
    You are only talking about what YOU view as YOUR morals, which is fine with me, im glad we live in a country where you get what you want and so do others.

    Now we just agree to disagree on our other opinions, legal abortion takes place before viablity so Ill never see it as ending a life because I cant find the logic to do so.

    I can also easily see the logic behind arguing that its wrong to bring a kid into the world that isnt wanted or cant be provided for. So stopping that before it happens for people that dont view unviable cells as life or killing have just as much ground to stand on as those who have different morals.
    Legally it may not be murder, but morally it is. In the majority of states that have defined marriage, it is fact that homosexual relationships cannot qualify as a marriage in the majority of states. Just because something is in the law books doesn't mean that it's the right thing nor does it also mean that because the law disagrees that something is inherently moral or immoral.

    I believe that when it comes to abortion that my morals need to be reflected in the laws to protect the lives of the unborn. I don't think someone's personal morals should ever justify the killing of another human life. It's no different when a man in his own moral code believes that it's ok to kill another person for sleeping with his wife or for offending him.

    Legal abortion is not restricted to just viability, and even if a fetus isn't viable I do not believe that justified killing it. We know that the fetus will become a viable human being in time. I think this would be similar to pulling the plug on someone who is kept alive via a life support system when we know that within a few weeks that the person on life support will make a full recovery.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Legally it may not be murder, but morally it is. In the majority of states that have defined marriage, it is fact that homosexual relationships cannot qualify as a marriage in the majority of states. Just because something is in the law books doesn't mean that it's the right thing nor does it also mean that because the law disagrees that something is inherently moral or immoral.

    I believe that when it comes to abortion that my morals need to be reflected in the laws to protect the lives of the unborn. I don't think someone's personal morals should ever justify the killing of another human life. It's no different when a man in his own moral code believes that it's ok to kill another person for sleeping with his wife or for offending him.

    Legal abortion is not restricted to just viability, and even if a fetus isn't viable I do not believe that justified killing it. We know that the fetus will become a viable human being in time. I think this would be similar to pulling the plug on someone who is kept alive via a life support system when we know that within a few weeks that the person on life support will make a full recovery.
    Like I said we will always disagree because I see no logic to consider unvailble cells life or getting rid of them murder or killing.

    and I certainly will never see logic in making those unvailble cells more important than the viable mother or ever FORCING her to carry a child that to me never adds up.

    Your morals are represented because YOU arent forced to have an abortion, my morals are also represented because you dont get to force yours on me.

    Right now unfortunatley for you IMO the law is perfect and very american.
    YOU dont have to have an abortion if you dont want to and others can because they arent forced to live by YOUR morals.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Legally it may not be murder, but morally it is....

    I believe that when it comes to abortion that my morals need to be reflected in the laws to protect the lives of the unborn. I don't think someone's personal morals should ever justify the killing of another human life. It's no different when a man in his own moral code believes that it's ok to kill another person for sleeping with his wife or for offending him.

    Legal abortion is not restricted to just viability, and even if a fetus isn't viable I do not believe that justified killing it. We know that the fetus will become a viable human being in time. I think this would be similar to pulling the plug on someone who is kept alive via a life support system when we know that within a few weeks that the person on life support will make a full recovery.
    Again, you have to provide a cogent scientific definition of the sufficient conditions for a human being that would justify this contention. You can try, by all means, best of luck, but I'll tell you right now, it's impossible.

    You should be aware that 86% of abortions are performed before the fetal stage.

    The comparison with the coma is completely inaccurate. The coma guy, especially if it's just a temporary situation, he isn't permenently in a vegetative state, is still a living human being, he's just temporarily out of touch. The human embryo, in most cases, even into the fetal stage, still doesn't yet meet the sufficient conditions of a human being, and never has. Admittedly, eventually, the fetus does meet these conditions. However, fetuses at this late stage are almost never aborted without a medical necessity. It's less than 4%. Though, if it makes you feel any better, regarding that less-than-4%, I would say that the fetus should simply be removed as it has an upwards of 90% chance of survival on it's own, anyhow.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Legally it may not be murder, but morally it is.
    Do you believe that one group of people should be able to force their morality on another group of people?
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Again, you have to provide a cogent scientific definition of the sufficient conditions for a human being that would justify this contention. You can try, by all means, best of luck, but I'll tell you right now, it's impossible.

    You should be aware that 86% of abortions are performed before the fetal stage.

    The comparison with the coma is completely inaccurate. The coma guy, especially if it's just a temporary situation, he isn't permenently in a vegetative state, is still a living human being, he's just temporarily out of touch. The human embryo, in most cases, even into the fetal stage, still doesn't yet meet the sufficient conditions of a human being, and never has. Admittedly, eventually, the fetus does meet these conditions. However, fetuses at this late stage are almost never aborted without a medical necessity. It's less than 4%. Though, if it makes you feel any better, regarding that less-than-4%, I would say that the fetus should simply be removed as it has an upwards of 90% chance of survival on it's own, anyhow.
    My understanding is that in some states (it may be all, I don't know), if you kill a pregnant woman and the baby dies as well - you are hit with two counts of murder/manslaughter or whatever the actual charge. So I guess in some criminal law your position would be denied

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    My understanding is that in some states (it may be all, I don't know), if you kill a pregnant woman and the baby dies as well - you are hit with two counts of murder/manslaughter or whatever the actual charge. So I guess in some criminal law your position would be denied
    Usually this is dependent on the viability of the fetus, it varies by state. However, this is merely a legal judgment, not a biological fact. Simply being recognized or not being recognized as a human being, or equivalent to a human being by the law, does not make it so.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Do you believe that one group of people should be able to force their morality on another group of people?
    Don't you? I bet your position on cockfighting is more restrictive than mine.

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