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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    I know a lot of very NON religious folks who are very pro life. I also know a lot of religious people who are pro choice. Religion doesnt always dictate your thoughts on abortion. Your own personal morals and beliefs do, with or without religion.

    and no...i dont expect you to stand by and do anything. You made a comment, so did I. It is what it is.
    I won't claim to know that this is what he's saying, but as I understand it, and as I personally think of it, it comes down to this:

    Whether the person is religious in a larger sense doesn't change that the only argument against abortion is "magical essence," as he puts it. Such beliefs are not limited to any particular dogma. Hell, I know one or two atheists who believe in "human by magical essence." Atheism only has to do with deities - any other supernatural stuff is still fair game. Hell, a straight-up Buddhist is an atheist, but they still believe in reincarnation.

    I think it may be incorrect to call this a religious belief, since it isn't limited to religion. But it is most certainly an irrational and unsubstantiated belief that comes from a place of superstitious and magical thinking, like religion does.

    As far as I can tell, this is the main argument against abortion. It is based on a supernatural claim that is without foundation, and is in fact verifiability wrong.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    I know a lot of very NON religious folks who are very pro life. I also know a lot of religious people who are pro choice. Religion doesnt always dictate your thoughts on abortion. Your own personal morals and beliefs do, with or without religion.

    and no...i dont expect you to stand by and do anything. You made a comment, so did I. It is what it is.
    Statistically, there are very few non religious people who are anti abortion. The simple fact is that the majority of arguments against abortion are religious in nature. This idea that somehow human life is "sacred" and begins at conception is definitely religious.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    As far as I can tell, this is the main argument against abortion. It is based on a supernatural claim that is without foundation, and is in fact verifiability wrong.
    You can keep making generalizations and passing them off as not generalizations if you wish but I do not believe in any magical force, supernatural gibberish, or any other religious insult you can muster.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    When an organism is connected to the bloodstream of another organism, it is usually called a parasite. In order for the ZEF to be considered a person, it needs to have existed as a separate being - an individual.
    ..by society. You need to finish your sentences.

    Oh and btw, twins that are connected at the hip are still individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ..by society. You need to finish your sentences.

    Oh and btw, twins that are connected at the hip are still individuals.
    Why do we call those who support abortion "pro-choice"? The opposite of pro-life would be pro-death, wouldn't it?

    Yeah, pro-death. That's what we need to call them!
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can keep making generalizations and passing them off as not generalizations if you wish but I do not believe in any magical force, supernatural gibberish, or any other religious insult you can muster.
    Do you believe life begins at conception? Or at any point early in pregnancy?

    If the answer is yes, then you most assuredly do believe in "magic essence" as personhood. whether you choose to call it that or not. If no, then you don't. But there is also then no argument for being against abortion.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Do you believe life begins at conception? Or at any point early in pregnancy?

    If the answer is yes, then you most assuredly do believe in "magic essence" as personhood. whether you choose to call it that or not. If no, then you don't. But there is also then no argument for being against abortion.
    OR maybe he, like I, disagrees that person-hood defines life.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    OR maybe he, like I, disagrees that person-hood defines life.
    The claim isn't that personhood defines life. An infant doesn't even meet all of the qualifications for personhood. You're dodging.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ..by society. You need to finish your sentences.

    Oh and btw, twins that are connected at the hip are still individuals.
    Yes, society. And thankfully, this society still values at least a modicum of privacy and personal liberty. Also, twins do not compare to ZEFs.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The claim isn't that personhood defines life. An infant doesn't even meet all of the qualifications for personhood. You're dodging.
    You said "magic essence as personhood".....does that mean personhood is not a factor? Why mention it at all then?

    It's not me dodging...
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