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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Abortion doesn't end a pregnancy, it just makes someone the mother of a dead baby.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
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    -- You can't call abortion murder.. If you are going to let it die after it is born.. That is murder..
    Why? What is the difference between a child the day before it is born and the day after, that makes the death of one criminal and the other merely unfortunate?
    Simple answer - varying degrees of rights. The closer a baby comes to being able to support itself outside the womb then the more rights it gains which is why an early first trimester baby has less rights in comparison to the mother vs a late third trimester baby's rights in comparison to its mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Abortion doesn't end a pregnancy, it just makes someone the mother of a dead baby.
    The pregnancy is still ended.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Abortion doesn't end a pregnancy, it just makes someone the mother of a dead baby.
    I assume that in order to mandate that the grander society to meet or exceed your moral compass - that you and other pro-lifers would be willing to not just support a new law that gives the unborn full rights under the Constitution, but would also be willing to ensure that all unwanted babies born, who would otherwise not be, will be provided full protections of wanted children, which means NECESSARY safety and general welfare such as food, housing, clothing, etc. Right?

    Can you please not allude to or raise the blame of humanity not taking appropriate sexual responsibility. That's not a possible reality.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    yes. legality. i've already been over the "legality" of dehumanizing a certain segment of the population
    for reasons of convenience. it was done with the blacks during slavery in america and with the jews
    in nazi germany. these people were defined legally sub-human, as has been the unborn child in
    contemporary times. legality.
    well let me know when legality CHANGES and Im glad to see you still ignored the responsibility part and your examples and how absurd they are. LMAO Ill be waiting for you to honestly address any of those issues or to continue to deflect its very humorous
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    well let me know when legality CHANGES and Im glad to see you still ignored the responsibility part and your examples and how absurd they are. LMAO Ill be waiting for you to honestly address any of those issues or to continue to deflect its very humorous
    i haven't ignored $h!t on the "responsibility" issue. roe v wade renders the woman solely responsible, in regards
    to the pregnancy. you're the one who constantly deflects in every thread you're in.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Abortion doesn't end a pregnancy, it just makes someone the mother of a dead baby.
    Way to insult all the mothers who lost their dreams due to miscarriages and their children to still births, not to mention SIDS and all that follows.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Suddenly not human? It never was. Back in "the old days," even an infant wasn't a human. They didn't even get names until they had survived for a month or two after birth. It's even in the Bible, which anti-choicers love to use. There's no "suddenly," and our ancestors had good reasons for thinking that way - an infant is not self-aware, and is completely helpless and vulnerable to everything. Human infants are pre-mature compared to most mammals. We've actually gotten a lot kinder. Now infanticide is illegal - even late-term abortion is illegal, since the fetus can feel pain and live outside the womb.

    You have a justification for every type of violence except the violence against something that isn't even alive - a fetus.

    War is avoidable, and kills tons of civilians. Capital punishment isn't justice, it's just government-sanctioned murder, which in turn makes the society think murder is ok rather than detering it, AND they sometimes murder the wrong person. Torture is a lousy interrogation method in addition to its general cruelty.

    It's just amazing how you can look at unjust violence against genuine human beings, often innocent, and see no problem at all. In those cases, you think humans in their violence are infallible and an eye for an eye renders you just, not blind.

    But then you look at a sack of cells swirling around in a transparent membrance that's vaguely mammal-shaped and rail about how we're "killing babies." Oh brother.
    MistressNomad,

    Yes, suddenly. You may call them sacks of cells, but I call them human, as countless photos of aborted fetuses will attest. The leftís support for abortion has become so strong, that even late term abortion was practiced for a while. You seem to acknowledge the cruelty of abortion, as per your statement that weíve actually gotten a lot kinder. That statement of yours seems to suggest that abortion was less than kind.

    But I think Iím misjudging you. I think that you are truly a compassionate person.

    Youíre absolutely correct. All war is avoidable. What we should NOT do when weíre attacked is fight back. Letís show compassion towards the enemy. Unfortunately, the enemy wonít love us any better for it, and it may prompt more attacks. Thousands of those civilians that you were afraid would get killed, would still get killedÖjust over on this side. Why donít we just lay down our arms, and let the enemy come in and take over, shall we?

    Why donít we ban capital punishment, and show compassion towards murderers. They may have just killed one victim, or slaughtered many victims, but what does that matter? That doesnít mean we should victimize them, does it? No, murderers have rights too, donít they? Letís screw the families of their victims. Lets shut our ears to their wailing over the loss of loved ones. Who cares about them anyway?

    Thereís just one little downside to this. If murder touches your family, like the murder of your parents, or your kids, and you thirst for justice, just bite down on that emotion and remember that state sanctioned murder is wrong.

    And if we capture an enemy soldier, and he knows of an impending attack against one of our major cities, in which thousands are expected to die, letís not ďtortureĒ him at all. Letís just show compassion, and maybe out of the goodness of his heart, he will give us the details (or spit us in the eye). Letís allow him to keep his secrets and hope for the best.

    Just one thing though. When the attack eventually happens, and thousands of people die, letís not tell the American people that we could have prevented it because we had somebody in our custody that had the information. The American people just wouldnít understand. After all, itís more important to show compassion than to apply enhanced interrogation techniques, and make that poor terrorist uncomfortable.

    But show compassion to the hundreds of thousands of unacknowledged babies that are sucked out of their mothersí wombs, that would never realize their potential, or ever make important contributions to our society?

    Donít be silly.

    Just remember one thing. Of all the non-humans that we kill through abortion, we kill thousands of potentially devoted leftists, liberals, socialists, gays, abortion rights activists, feminists, welfare and food stamp recipients, union organizers, community organizers, radicals, revolutionaries, and other empty young minds just waiting for a proper dose of good old leftist indoctrination.

    Youíre shooting yourselves in the foot.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Way to insult all the mothers who lost their dreams due to miscarriages and their children to still births, not to mention SIDS and all that follows.
    how did he insult them? i've known quite a few women whom were devastated by a miscarriage, including my sister.
    she understood she was the mother of a dead baby, which is why the BABY, not the fetus, received a name and an
    actual grave which has flowers placed on it annually.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    i haven't ignored $h!t on the "responsibility" issue. roe v wade renders the woman solely responsible, in regards
    to the pregnancy. you're the one who constantly deflects in every thread you're in.
    If you say so but you definitely did the proof is back in the thread. A poster said abortion could be argued the responsible thing and you compared to killing a baby by leaving it in a dumpsters and chopping of a daughters head for having sex.

    Thats how you ignored it by two asinine unsupportable clams that make no sense and you cant back up.

    Sorry I stayed right on topic while your just throwing **** at the wall and hoping something sticks, ill GLADLY let you challenge me to ANY deflection you falsely accused me of LMAO. PLEASE SO ME AN EXAMPLE OF ME DEFLECTING FROM A POINT "I" MADE

    id love to see it!!!! LMAO
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    -- You may call them sacks of cells, but I call them human --
    The issue for me has never been what to call them. I'll happily acknowledge that abortion destroys a human life because the issue isn't what we call it but whether it is right to bring another human into this world when there may be no support for that life or that life is not going to receive appropriate care or may add to the burden of a family struggling to make ends meet.

    The day there are guarantees that all children that would have been aborted would recieve appropriate care, not face young life in care homes or full medical treatment for a potentially threatening condition will be the day I consider saying there may be better options than abortion.

    However the main problem still remains that it simply comes down to a mother's body and her wishes and rights in comparison (see above reply to Korimir) to the rights of her unborn human child. That cannot be changed.

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