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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Pissy? I think you're projecting.

    And I wouldn't need to if anti-choicers wouldn't deny the simply realities of biology.
    Ok, you caught me. I don't really believe what I've professed for years. The cat is out of the bag! Good job. Like that's not pissy. It's really a rather pathetic tactic, and unbecoming. "I made up an analogy that doesn't work and caught you!!11!!"


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    P.S. You've also just admitted a fetus isn't a human.
    You think that's intellectually honest?
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, you caught me. I don't really believe what I've professed for years. The cat is ot of the bag! Good job.

    Like that's not pissy. It's really a rather pathetic tactic, and unbecoming.
    Huh? Now I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

    Projecting and babbling. Good technique.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Until the pro-life crowed is prepared to deal with Est. 1.3 million new borns that otherwise would have been aborted.. Then there is not point to this discussion?? If you ban abortion and force women to have the baby.. You can't force her to keep it.. Are you going to find 1.3 million adoptive parents each year?? Not likely?? Foster care?? Are you going to approve funding for that?? What about school and medical?? Are you going to approve funding for all this so those 1.3 million babies aren't just being tossed into the street to die..

    If you pro-lifers are going to grand stand and scream murder and crap, then you all better give thought to the consequence to your views.. Until you come up with a viable solution as to what to do with the babies after they are born, and how are you are going to fund that solution.. Your arguements on this issue are essentially moot.. You can't argue one side and not take into account the other.. You can't say abortion is wrong and have no idea about what to do when the baby is born.. Any arguement against abortion is simply flawed without solution to what to do when they are born..

    Is abortion wrong?? Stupid question.. It is the best solution we have for unwanted pregnancies.. Until someone comes up with something better.. There simply isn't anything else to say.. You either figure out a plan to deal with the babies when they are born, or spare the rest of us your lame arguements.. All you are doing is showing the rest of us how short sighted your views are..

    You can't call abortion murder.. If you are going to let it die after it is born.. That is murder..

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    You can't call abortion murder.. If you are going to let it die after it is born.. That is murder..
    Why? What is the difference between a child the day before it is born and the day after, that makes the death of one criminal and the other merely unfortunate?

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Until the pro-life crowed is prepared to deal with Est. 1.3 million new borns that otherwise would have been aborted.. Then there is not point to this discussion?? If you ban abortion and force women to have the baby.. You can't force her to keep it.. Are you going to find 1.3 million adoptive parents each year?? Not likely?? Foster care?? Are you going to approve funding for that?? What about school and medical?? Are you going to approve funding for all this so those 1.3 million babies aren't just being tossed into the street to die..

    If you pro-lifers are going to grand stand and scream murder and crap, then you all better give thought to the consequence to your views.. Until you come up with a viable solution as to what to do with the babies after they are born, and how are you are going to fund that solution.. Your arguements on this issue are essentially moot.. You can't argue one side and not take into account the other.. You can't say abortion is wrong and have no idea about what to do when the baby is born.. Any arguement against abortion is simply flawed without solution to what to do when they are born..

    Is abortion wrong?? Stupid question.. It is the best solution we have for unwanted pregnancies.. Until someone comes up with something better.. There simply isn't anything else to say.. You either figure out a plan to deal with the babies when they are born, or spare the rest of us your lame arguements.. All you are doing is showing the rest of us how short sighted your views are..

    You can't call abortion murder.. If you are going to let it die after it is born.. That is murder..
    All true.

    But even if they could, it's still wrong. I don't want a kid. I don't think this is a responsible world to bring a kid into. Even if they had a solution of what to do with it, I still wouldn't care - that is not the issue for me. The issue happens way before birth.

    And while I do everything in my power to avoid having to ever deal with an unwanted pregnancy, you better bet your sweet ass no one is forcing me to breed. And if you think I'm the only one, you're wrong. I know some people in the pro-choice movement getting some serious work done, and gearing up for what is happening in the states.

    They don't have a solution to what to do with all these unwanted children, and they don't care. "Human rights" only matter to them before it's born. Afterwards, bring on the war, the death penalty, and a good ole's free market empty belly.

    But even if they did, it doesn't matter. The issue is that it's a woman's body.
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Why? What is the difference between a child the day before it is born and the day after, that makes the death of one criminal and the other merely unfortunate?
    Well.. Since I am not the one calling abortion murder?? I see no point to your question.. My point stands as it is..

    I will say that any child that is viable will not be aborted.. Or at least shouldn't be.. If it is viable then it will be simply born.. Which renders your question moot.. If the baby is not viable.. Well then.. Again.. Your question is moot.. As I said.. Currently abortion is our best solution.. Until someone comes up with better.. There isn't much to say..
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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The issue is that it's a woman's body.
    This is true.. But with that power comes great responsibility.. Should we have laws that demand that a women get her tubes tied if she has had 3 or more abortions??

    If it were up to me.. Highschools would be pushing the issue of Sex Education hard.. To me an abortion is something you should avoid at all cost.. Unless in the case of rape or incest.. But there are way to many people that just can't seem to figure out how to put a rain coat on a banana.. Either that or have sex in ways that can't lead to pregnancy.. The bottom line is, more effort needs to be made to prevent pregnancy.. That is really the only answer to this problem..

    In some ways I think it should be law that as soon as a women has her first period.. She needs to be put on the pill.. Or allow free access to the morning after pill.. Money is the big issue here..

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    This is true.. But with that power comes great responsibility.. Should we have laws that demand that a women get her tubes tied if she has had 3 or more abortions??

    If it were up to me.. Highschools would be pushing the issue of Sex Education hard.. To me an abortion is something you should avoid at all cost.. Unless in the case of rape or incest.. But there are way to many people that just can't seem to figure out how to put a rain coat on a banana.. Either that or have sex in ways that can't lead to pregnancy.. The bottom line is, more effort needs to be made to prevent pregnancy.. That is really the only answer to this problem..

    In some ways I think it should be law that as soon as a women has her first period.. She needs to be put on the pill.. Or allow free access to the morning after pill.. Money is the big issue here..
    And who are you to say how she should handle that responsibility? Who are you to tell her what she needs to do with her fertility?

    Hell, it's the same people who want to ban abortion that make it nearly impossible for a woman under 30 (whether she has kids or not) to get an elective tubal. I'd jump at the chance. But even then, accidents still happen. Nothing short of completely removing the gonads of one or both partners makes pregnancy 100% impossible.

    Your idea to force women to go on the pill is mad. The pill is a drug, and it can be a serious one. The fact that most women have limited problems doesn't mean that a few don't have serious problems. And in girls of 11 or 12 (which is when girls are reaching menarche these days), you're proposing some pretty serious biochemical invasion.

    Why is people's solution always to invade the bodies of someone else against their will?

    Education I agree with. Better education and more consistent birth control use would drop unwanted pregnancy rates drastically. But they will *always* occur, no matter how perfectly one uses birth control. The right must be preserved.

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    And who are you to say how she should handle that responsibility? Who are you to tell her what she needs to do with her fertility?

    Education I agree with. Better education and more consistent birth control use would drop unwanted pregnancy rates drastically. But they will *always* occur, no matter how perfectly one uses birth control. The right must be preserved.
    My idea about the pill was just that an idea.. I don't believe that women have an unrestricted right to simply have sex and get as many abortions as she pleases.. Especially since the father has no rights to force her to have it.. So she is not all powerful and society does have a role here.. I don't believe abortion should be abused and used as a form of birth control.. So please don't get all high and mighty about your fertility.. Unless women want to share that with the fathers, they have nothing to say on the issue when it comes to abortion.. The fact that it is their body is irrelevent.. Your fertility is meaningless without a males sperm.. So?? Are you willing to share responsibility with the father?? They father should be able to force you to have the child.. You can't penalize him because of biology..

    Also.. Society does have a say.. Roe V. Wade isn't a personal issue.. I think abortion should be available.. But I also think their needs to be some restrictions to prevent abuse..

    I have a right to my opinions.. Do not question them again please.. Asking me 'Who are you to say' and 'Who are you to tell her' is inappropriate.. I said nothing and told her nothing.. And you aren't all that and a box of raisins.. If you don't like my ideas that is fine.. But don't get all high and mighty.. You deminish your position by doing that..

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    Re: Is Abortion wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Until the pro-life crowed is prepared to deal with Est. 1.3 million new borns that otherwise would have been aborted..
    Ah, so Hitler wasn't a murderer. Afterall, who was going to take care of all the disabled people he euthanized?

    That is a piss poor justification for killing a baby. I have adopted once sofar and working on a second adoption. There are thousands of families lined up who can't have a baby of their own and are waiting to adopt. Most of the kids who don't get adopted out of the foster system are the older kids. We could solve that real quick, just abort them too. Right? That seems to be your logic here.
    Get informed: UNICEF foreign adoption policy is killing orphans and the US gives $132 million to UNICEF every year. Stop the madness.
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