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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Nope. Humans have a cognitive bias where they tend to believe if they do nothing it will have no consequences but if they do something it will have consequences. That bias forces them to think about decisions when they are forced to make them.
    Right, but my point is if you make people vote that don't want to then are they not just more likely to just press buttons in order to do it and get it done with rather than make an informed decision?

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We do a pretty good job.
    Are you sure? I've seen the jury selection process and known many whom have gone through it. The main goal is to get dismissed, not serve. It's viewed as a pain in the ass and not much more.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    To be honest with ya, I'm thinking compulsory voting would actually kill the two party system. I don't believe a single country that has compulsory voting has a two party system like the United States has.
    Forcing people to vote would not get rid of the two party monopoly for the simple fact its name recognition with the help of the media and money that gets a candidate elected.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We do a pretty good job.
    Most people try to get out of jury duty. I have a friend who always pretends to be racist so she is never called back. People don't take it seriously at all.

    Since when does forcing a person against his will to do something make him enjoy what he is being forced to do any more than before?

    So far, these are your main arguments:
    1. If people want compulsory voting, because of democracy they should get it.
    -No, because we have a constitutional republic, so the majority cannot just get what they want if it infringes on rights. By your logic, if the majority wants slavery, they should be able to get it.

    2. Compulsory voting decreases apathy and makes people more involved in politics.
    -zero evidence of this. People are forced into jury duty and everyone hates it. In fact, most people try to get out of it. Nobody is interested in jury duty because it is mandatory, and I would argue they dislike it even more because it is mandatory. Jury duty is an excellent example of why compulsory voting will not increase interest in politics. All it will do is increase voter turn out, for obvious reasons. Voter turnout and political interest are not synonymous.

    3. We have a 2 party system because there is no compulsory voting.
    -Completely bogus. Europe does not have compulsory voting, yet nearly every European country has a multiparty system. Compulsory voting has nothing to do with that. If people are uninterested in politics because of limited choice, rather than force them to choose between two evils maybe you should push for reforms that expand the role of third parties. And by the way, Australia basically has a two party system, for the most part. There is no correlation between the number of parties present and compulsory voting.

    Not to mention compulsory voting is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    We have enough idiots voting. Lets not add the lethargic to that list.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    So when is the USA going to start rounding up those apathetic bastards and sending them to the re-education camps?

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm starting to think we should require that people vote. If you don't vote you should get fined. It's not a very libertarian position, but given how few eligible Americans actually vote, I doubt that the majority is very well represented. The fines don't even have to be high, since most people will turn up to vote just to avoid the hassle of paying one. And it works! It increases voter turnout by as much as 16%!

    The following countries have enforced compulsory voting....

    Argentina
    Australia
    Brazil
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    Liechtenstein
    Nauru
    Peru
    Singapore
    Uruguay

    Not exactly a list of totalitarian regimes.
    I've sometimes thought you should have to take a class (like driver's education) and get a license to participate in politics, including voting. It would focus on the constitutional law, federalism, economic theories, the scientific method, etc...
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm starting to think we should require that people vote. If you don't vote you should get fined. It's not a very libertarian position, but given how few eligible Americans actually vote, I doubt that the majority is very well represented. The fines don't even have to be high, since most people will turn up to vote just to avoid the hassle of paying one. And it works! It increases voter turnout by as much as 16%!

    The following countries have enforced compulsory voting....

    Argentina
    Australia
    Brazil
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    Liechtenstein
    Nauru
    Peru
    Singapore
    Uruguay

    Not exactly a list of totalitarian regimes.
    In that case, voting is no longer a, "right". Along with the right to vote comes the right not to vote.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    If someone votes only to avoid a fine, chances are they aren't well informed on the issues and thus I would not want them to vote. Also, it would be easy to buy votes of people who are indifferent to begin with.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Personally, I don't think we need the gov't making a law that voting be a requirement to live in America. And I especially don't think we need to give the powers that be anymore ideas on ways they can fine us or maybe even raise our taxes, for that matter. They seem to be able to come up with enough ideas all by themselves without any help from us. Next thing you know they'll force us to have a video camera in our bedrooms in order to keep track of how many times we have sex so they can charge us a sex tax accordingly.

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