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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Well...if most people want compulsory voting...wouldn't establishing compulsory voting then be democratic?
    Yes, and slavery was democratic as well. And if most people want government to abolish freedom of speech it would also be democratic. But we have a Republic, and under our Constitution compulsory voting on the federal level is not permissible.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Do you remember a certain election in which man named Bush beat out a man named Gore without actually carrying the popular vote?
    Sure, but neither of them had unacceptably low approval ratings at the time, so that example doesn't qualify. And in any case, compulsory voting would not prevent the occasional quirk of the electoral college from occurring.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm starting to think we should require that people vote. If you don't vote you should get fined. It's not a very libertarian position, but given how few eligible Americans actually vote, I doubt that the majority is very well represented. The fines don't even have to be high, since most people will turn up to vote just to avoid the hassle of paying one. And it works! It increases voter turnout by as much as 16%!

    The following countries have enforced compulsory voting....

    Argentina
    Australia
    Brazil
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    Liechtenstein
    Nauru
    Peru
    Singapore
    Uruguay

    Not exactly a list of totalitarian regimes.
    I wouldnt mind it at all.
    Not sure about the fines?
    And as long as the option "none of the above" is available Im fine that. Or a fill in the blank.

    would we also go to straight one to one voting?
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm starting to think we should require that people vote. If you don't vote you should get fined. It's not a very libertarian position, but given how few eligible Americans actually vote, I doubt that the majority is very well represented. The fines don't even have to be high, since most people will turn up to vote just to avoid the hassle of paying one. And it works! It increases voter turnout by as much as 16%!

    The following countries have enforced compulsory voting....

    Argentina
    Australia
    Brazil
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    Liechtenstein
    Nauru
    Peru
    Singapore
    Uruguay

    Not exactly a list of totalitarian regimes.
    So you want people who otherwise wouldn't give two ****s about politics to be forced to go vote? You do not think this would have disastrous effects. Its bad enough we have morons who think Obama is going to pay their bills voting and other politically ignorant people voting. I do not want that number increased. Plus one of the points of democracy is that you have a choice in whether or no you want to vote. Considering our two party monopoly and the fact that both the media and many states squeeze out 3rd parties I do not want to be force to vote for a douche bag or turd sandwich.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Because of compulsory voting? I don't think so. And those are exceptions to the list of countries you mentioned.
    North Korea and Iran don't have compulsory voting.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why don't you care?
    Part of the reason is because I do not live in the district I vote in since I am in college. Another reason is Water Management Backup Carrier, while I made it up, people do run for stuff like that. Like I don't care who does that job. I do pay attention to City Council and School Board and those type of things, but for the district I live in it seems like 60% of the ballot is stuff like Water Management Backup Carrier.

    Plus if you force people to vote, do you not make them more turned off by the process because they have to?

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you want people who otherwise wouldn't give two ****s about politics to be forced to go vote? You do not think this would have disastrous effects. Its bad enough we have morons who think Obama is going to pay their bills voting and other politically ignorant people voting. I do not want that number increased. Plus one of the points of democracy is that you have a choice in whether or no you want to vote. Considering our two party monopoly and the fact that both the media and many states squeeze out 3rd parties I do not want to be force to vote for a douche bag or turd sandwich.
    Once people get involved in politics they will get interested in politics. When the guy they vote for screws them over, they will learn to care who they vote for in this wonderful thing called conditioning. It is painful but necessary.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Jury duty is compulsory so why shouldn'r voting be if you are registered to vote.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Plus if you force people to vote, do you not make them more turned off by the process because they have to?
    Nope. Humans have a cognitive bias where they tend to believe if they do nothing it will have no consequences but if they do something it will have consequences. That bias forces them to think about decisions when they are forced to make them.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Once people get involved in politics they will get interested in politics.
    I don't think it necessarily follows. If they are forced to vote, that doesn't necessarily mean they will be interested in politics. They may just minimally fill out their ballot and be done with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    When the guy they vote for screws them over, they will learn to care who they vote for in this wonderful thing called conditioning. It is painful but necessary.
    Except that the system will still be closed off to true political competition. And in that case, you have the Republocrats. They may not care when the guy they vote for screws them over if they expect both candidates to screw them over.
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