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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why don't you care?
    Because most people don't know anything about the local candidates or issues, and have better things to do than learn about them. For that matter, the same argument can be scaled up to the state or national level. The only reason that I stay informed about politics is because I find it inherently interesting, but I have no problem with people who don't, since there are plenty of other subjects that *I* find boring.

    If someone isn't inherently interested in politics, it's perfectly rational for them to not waste their time learning about it: the costs (the time spent learning when you could be doing something you enjoy) greatly outweigh the benefits (the probability that your individual vote will swing the outcome of any important election).
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well that would come through a vote, and that means only the people who do vote would vote on it. So the majority of that population is not the majority of the actual population (nearly half of people don't vote I believe). Regardless, it is their vote and they can do with it as they please. Though I think one thing here clearly outlines the danger of strict democracy. It's mob rule, there's no guarantee of rights.
    Well once it is established, the voting majority will have the opportunity to vote it away.

    And we still have our Constitution and our checks and balances, so we are still a Republic even with mandatory voting.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Well once it is established, the voting majority will have the opportunity to vote it away.

    And we still have our Constitution and our checks and balances, so we are still a Republic even with mandatory voting.
    A person's vote is their power. It's their authority and sovereignty they are investing into the government. If one cannot give their consent to the current incarnation of government, they should not be force to endorse it through their vote. People must remain free to choose how to use or not use their vote as their own free will dictates.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I have SERIOUS issues when people who don't care at all about the issues, politics, taxation (and so forth) let their decisions (blind, random, based on popularity or whichever person they've heard of) affect every aspect of MY life.
    You seem to assume that those people stay home. To the contrary, I think those are the people who are most likely to vote now. I think it is the truly moderate Americans who are turned off by all the rhetoric and celebrity that our elections have come to spew out. Hence, why I think we need to thrust them back into the domain, so that they can become informed, make informed decisions, and cancel out some of those who have bought into the brand that the candidates are selling.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because most people don't know anything about the local candidates or issues, and have better things to do than learn about them. For that matter, the same argument can be scaled up to the state or national level. The only reason that I stay informed about politics is because I find it inherently interesting, but I have no problem with people who don't, since there are plenty of other subjects that *I* find boring.
    Apathy is rather dangerous in democracy. It needs to be fought or evil men will find their way into positions of power. History should have taught you that much.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The first one is a problem because the majority is not truly represented. Hence why we have a "silent" majority in this country that everyone in politics likes to speculate about.
    Why is that a problem? If they had the option to vote and chose not to exercise it, why can't we respect that? The majority has acquiesced to whomever the voters select.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought
    The second has been demonstrated to be greatly improved by compulsory voting in all the countries that have instituted it. If people are required to vote, they do generally take greater interest in it since they have to do it anyway.
    The first Google result that I clicked points to exactly the opposite conclusion:
    http://www.crcee.umontreal.ca/pdf/CVE_CJPS_FINAL.pdf

    No other studies came up on my first page of results.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought
    Countries that require voting and enforce it generally have a more informed and involved populace. Democracy should be as well informed as possible in order for it to function.
    If you want a more informed electorate, I think you'd do better by attacking that problem directly instead of through an indirect measure like compulsory voting. You could just mandate that they watch/read/listen to the news for two hours per year, from any media source they want. If this is really a problem (and I see no reason to think that it is), that would certainly do more to make them more informed and wouldn't waste any more of their time than requiring them to vote would.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    .If one cannot give their consent to the current incarnation of government, they should not be force to endorse it through their vote.
    We will just make it so that a person who does not pay their failure to vote fines cannot get a driver's license, social security card, birth certificate, etc. After all, those documents also signify their consent to the government, and so they will get exactly what they want.

    You don't take part in a democracy, then you don't get the benefits of the democracy.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You seem to assume that those people stay home. To the contrary, I think those are the people who are most likely to vote now. I think it is the truly moderate Americans who are turned off by all the rhetoric and celebrity that our elections have come to spew out. Hence, why I think we need to thrust them back into the domain, so that they can become informed, make informed decisions, and cancel out some of those who have bought into the brand that the candidates are selling.
    Oh - I know they vote - so I loath the current system.

    Overall - I believe that voting should be earned - not just given away - and if someone chooses not to use their priviledge then that's fine.

    But as long as our country is geared towards the 2 main parties I think that no one should be forced to do anything.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Apathy is rather dangerous in democracy. It needs to be fought or evil men will find their way into positions of power. History should have taught you that much.
    If someone really unacceptable to the majority came to power, then apathy would decline and they could vote him/her out of office.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We will just make it so that a person who does not pay their failure to vote fines cannot get a driver's license, social security card, birth certificate, etc. After all, those documents also signify their consent to the government, and so they will get exactly what they want.

    You don't take part in a democracy, then you don't get the benefits of the democracy.
    Those signify government power over the People. And the way you describe them being used is a form a tyranny. You cannot have democracy through tyranny. People should be more involved. A republic requires a well educated and participating populace to keep. While this is true, I see no proper and just way to enforce the participation in the system through law. People must be free to make up their own minds and to use their vote in the manner which they feel is best; even if that's not voting.
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