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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why?
    The analogy doesn't hold, because a child does that for irrational reasons, while not voting can be done for a myriad of differing reasons.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Humans have a cognitive bias where they tend to believe if they do nothing it will have no consequences but if they do something it will have consequences. That bias forces them to think about decisions when they are forced to make them.

    We already have politically ignorant people voting in a system that forces no one to vote. These people took the time to register to vote. These people took the time to stand in line to tell the election worker their name and political affiliation, sign their name, get their ballot , check who they want to vote for and what issues they want enacted or repealed and submit their ballot. These people most likely do not pay attention to **** when it comes to politics. They may be college educated, some of them may run businesses and or have successful careers.But when it comes to politics and political issues they are as dumb as a bag of rocks. So this already disproves your notion that if they are forced to participate that they will go through the trouble of learning about the candidates, reading up on the constitution, actually care about various political issues and making more informed choices. Forcing people do something they do not want to do will not make them have the desire to learn about political issues and so on. The only thing you would be doing by forcing them to vote is bringing in more politically ignorant people to the polls. Many would argue that the better thing to do is make them take some sort of test to see if they are actually knowledgeable regarding our government,political issues and other related stuff before allowing them to vote, but this would border on the jim crow laws that were in place to purposely exclude blacks in order to prevent republicans from being elected.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The point of protest is to gain power. By giving up power, it is contradictory.
    Protesting is also a means of exposing wrongs.
    The point of a protest is with the intent of the protestor.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    No, compulsory voting sucks and is ineffective, you can't make people vote, you can only make them show up at the polling place. Some people show up and vote, other show up and draw penises on the ballot, some people call the government and say they're attending their grandmothers funeral for the 7th election in a row and thus avoid the fine associated with not voting, making people vote isn't gonna make them interested in politics.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    No, compulsory voting sucks and is ineffective, you can't make people vote, you can only make them show up at the polling place. Some people show up and vote, other show up and draw penises on the ballot, some people call the government and say they're attending their grandmothers funeral for the 7th election in a row and thus avoid the fine associated with not voting, making people vote isn't gonna make them interested in politics.

    Penises? Not Koala bears?

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm starting to think we should require that people vote. If you don't vote you should get fined. It's not a very libertarian position, but given how few eligible Americans actually vote, I doubt that the majority is very well represented. The fines don't even have to be high, since most people will turn up to vote just to avoid the hassle of paying one. And it works! It increases voter turnout by as much as 16%!

    The following countries have enforced compulsory voting....

    Argentina
    Australia
    Brazil
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    Liechtenstein
    Nauru
    Peru
    Singapore
    Uruguay

    Not exactly a list of totalitarian regimes.
    Fiji and Singapore aren't exactly democratic either.

    Compulsory voting should only be considered if there is a 'none of the above' option, candidates need majority (not plurality) vote to win and the 'none of the above' count when figuring out the majority.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Compulsory is a shortcut to tyranny.

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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Australia is much more successful than Brazil. This would be my list after most successful to least. Only the highlighted are part of the most successful countries in the world.

    Liechtenstein
    Australia
    Singapore

    Chile
    Uruguay
    Brazil
    Argentina
    Peru
    Ecuador
    Fiji
    I would argue that Chile is actually quite successful. It's economy has improved and become much more diversified over the past couple of decades. However, there are a lot of very successful countries not on this list as well -- including Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan ... all of which are democracies and are very successful and prosperous...
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Compulsory is a shortcut to tyranny.
    Name me one nation where compulsory voting has lead to tyranny.
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    Re: Should the US have complusory voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Name me one nation where compulsory voting has lead to tyranny.
    I suspect someone like Rufus T. Firefly of Freedonia would never have been in power were it not for compulsory voting.
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