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    Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    An interesting idea from the Washington Post today. Why not bring back flogging for nonviolent criminals in lieu of prison time...or at least allow them the option to choose between the two punishments? Flogging was abolished in this country because people began to view it as barbaric, and as a violation of the 8th Amendment's ban on "cruel and unusual punishment." But what does it say about our criminal justice system that most people would probably opt for this barbaric punishment instead of the more "humane" punishment of locking them in a cage and subjecting them to daily rapes for years at a time?

    Let's reserve prison for the truly dangerous people, and start using alternative punishments for everyone else. Flogging would certainly be cheaper for the government, less likely to put the criminal in contact with other criminals, and IMO a far more civilized punishment than the conditions that exist in our prisons.

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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    An interesting idea from the Washington Post today. Why not bring back flogging for nonviolent criminals in lieu of prison time...or at least allow them the option to choose between the two punishments? Flogging was abolished in this country because people began to view it as barbaric, and as a violation of the 8th Amendment's ban on "cruel and unusual punishment." But what does it say about our criminal justice system that most people would probably opt for this barbaric punishment instead of the more "humane" punishment of locking them in a cage and subjecting them to daily rapes for years at a time?

    Let's reserve prison for the truly dangerous people, and start using alternative punishments for everyone else. Flogging would certainly be cheaper for the government, less likely to put the criminal in contact with other criminals, and IMO a far more civilized punishment than the conditions that exist in our prisons.

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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    While our current prison system is hideously and need of reform flogging in the not the answer. The pain is momentary and doesn't mitigate any potential threat from the offender. It also condones tortures and promotes a sadistic mentality.

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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While our current prison system is hideously and need of reform flogging in the not the answer. The pain is momentary and doesn't mitigate any potential threat from the offender. It also condones tortures and promotes a sadistic mentality.
    So we are less criminal society today than 200 years ago?
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While our current prison system is hideously and need of reform flogging in the not the answer. The pain is momentary and doesn't mitigate any potential threat from the offender.
    Most offenders don't pose any threat in the first place. Most of them are nonviolent people who either A) are guilty of some bull**** crime that shouldn't be a crime in the first place, or B) are guilty of doing something stupid where they need SOME sort of punishment but don't need to be isolated from society.

    I'm not saying that this should apply to EVERYONE...just the nonviolent offenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi
    It also condones tortures and promotes a sadistic mentality.
    And cages/rape don't? Isn't flogging considerably less barbaric than that? If we go by the prisoner's own (assumed) preference for flogging over incarceration, it would seem that most people would consider prison time more cruel than flogging. So let's worry about replacing prison time with some less cruel alternative punishment - whether it's flogging or something else - before we worry about whether THOSE things are too cruel as well.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Yes, let's bring back flogging. That way, we can be just like Iran. Great move.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is says we are way too lenient in prisons.
    Have you ever set foot in a prison? I have (no, not as a convict). They are not happy places by any stretch of the imagination. They are the closest thing to hell on earth that we have in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by American
    First remove the weight machines. Exercise will consist of hard work everyday. Discipline will be tougher than the military.
    This isn't really relevant to the thread. My question is how can we possibly consider flogging to be "cruel and unusual punishment" when we openly use an even more horrifying form of punishment.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, let's bring back flogging. That way, we can be just like Iran. Great move.
    Even Iran doesn't subject 743 per 100,000 of its citizens to the horrors of prison. In fact, our incarceration rate is more than three times Iran's. When it comes to the human rights abuses of our criminal justice system, we are in a class all by ourselves.

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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Sure as an option I suppose, but not in public

    I don't want to see that when I walk outside
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Sure as an option I suppose, but not in public

    I don't want to see that when I walk outside
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