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  • Yes, it is more humane than prison

    3 14.29%
  • Yes, it will save the government money and/or reduce crime

    4 19.05%
  • No, it is cruel and unusual punishment

    7 33.33%
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sure! Give them the choice and if they take it on? Let em do it. BTW, it would make for good tv too. Instead of LockUp Raw? We see Flogging Raw. If these scumbags wish to give up their rights and be flogged? Who am I to argue. Of course what if you have someone who gets off on this type of pain? It will not deter them from commiting more crimes. As a matter of fact I am not sure flogging would be a good idea in the end cause it is like getting an adult spanking.
    but some people get off on confinement, as well. are you suggesting that there's an element of the prison population there because
    they have a fetish for bondage, so we should release them?
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree. Some people just need to be taught to get their heads out of their asses, they don't need to be locked up. It would probably be a good idea for a lot of white-collar crime too, where the offender doesn't pose any real danger to society but nevertheless needs to be punished somehow.
    Do you think these white collar pussy criminals are gonna take that beating? I bet you that most of these white collars will take lockdown over getting flogged. It would be fun to see how many of them pussy out and go to lock down. Them whitecollar dudes don't have the balls nor the skin to do that. I am being mean tonight
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    but some people get off on confinement, as well. are you suggesting that there's an element of the prison population there because
    they have a fetish for bondage, so we should release them?
    Good point. I did not think of that. But those that have the confinement fetish in the real world are able to make it end at any time. They are free. Folks in lockdown are not free. What I am trying to say is that folks that take the flogging can do it and then walk away. Should punishment be that quick and fast?
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Good point. I did not think of that. But those that have the confinement fetish in the real world are able to make it end at any time. They are free. Folks in lockdown are not free. What I am trying to say is that folks that take the flogging can do it and then walk away. Should punishment be that quick and fast?
    well, it's a small percentage, either way. people love to make excuses for the criminal element in America. love labeling
    it a "reaction to poverty" or a "reaction to past traumatic experience". it's all the same to the victim of a crime, though.
    if someone would put a gun to my head, i think the last thing on my mind would be wondering whether the man behind
    the gun was an abused child, and then sympathizing with his ass right before he blew my head off and took my wallet.
    imo...american society has way too much sympathy for criminals.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Even Iran doesn't subject 743 per 100,000 of its citizens to the horrors of prison. In fact, our incarceration rate is more than three times Iran's. When it comes to the human rights abuses of our criminal justice system, we are in a class all by ourselves.

    Subject????? Talk about a distorted view.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Subject????? Talk about a distorted view.
    We have the highest incarceration rate BY FAR of any country in the world, and conditions in our prisons are hellish. So spare me the stupid **** about how we would be no better than Iran if we allowed flogging or some other punishment that we've arbitrarily decided is "cruel and unusual" (because there's obviously nothing cruel about locking a nonviolent offender in a cage where they can be raped). News flash: On this issue, we ARE no better than they are. The US is by far the biggest human rights violator in the world when it comes to criminal justice. I'd much rather be flogged by an Iranian cop than spend a few years in an American prison.

    Now, since you objected to my saying that we "subject" such a high proportion of our population to prison, I assume that you're trying to tell me that they all deserve to be there. Well then that brings up another question: If you actually believe that, then what is it about our society that inspires so much more crime than every single other country on the planet?
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Nah, flogging is inefficient. Non violent criminals need to be put to work --- actually all prisoners violent or non-violent should be put to work, but not by private business and certainly not where money is exchanged between government and private business. They should be put to work as part of a rehabilitation and skill training program. Prisoners should be filling pot holes, cleaning up environmental disasters, doing labor on demo'd buildings, working on construction sites, all this with two intentions.

    1. Putting these people to work and getting them out of the prison cells and inside gangs where they hone their criminal behavior
    2. Training them and giving them a skill they can use on the outside when their sentence is fulfilled

    This should not apply to lifers or death row inmates. Not sure what should be done with them if anything. The secondary part of this is as the prisoners leave jail, the state works with private business to hire these former inmates with good wages to do what they were trained in jail to do, and to continue on in that job. Critics say "work programs are inhumane" and I say BS. What's inhumane is locking these people up so they have to live in gang groups, swap notes and become better criminals.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    A society can be judged on how well it treats its minorities and prisoners or criminals.
    Do we wish to fail ?
    Sadly, there are those of us who would see us regress.
    This I find disgusting !
    Instead of prisoners and punishments, we must work on prevention, child care and protective services must be improved as necessary.
    Children must be respected, they are our most valuable resource...
    Flogging ?
    Ask the criminals, how do they feel about this ?

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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Nah, flogging is inefficient. Non violent criminals need to be put to work --- actually all prisoners violent or non-violent should be put to work, but not by private business and certainly not where money is exchanged between government and private business. They should be put to work as part of a rehabilitation and skill training program. Prisoners should be filling pot holes, cleaning up environmental disasters, doing labor on demo'd buildings, working on construction sites, all this with two intentions.

    1. Putting these people to work and getting them out of the prison cells and inside gangs where they hone their criminal behavior
    2. Training them and giving them a skill they can use on the outside when their sentence is fulfilled

    This should not apply to lifers or death row inmates. Not sure what should be done with them if anything. The secondary part of this is as the prisoners leave jail, the state works with private business to hire these former inmates with good wages to do what they were trained in jail to do, and to continue on in that job. Critics say "work programs are inhumane" and I say BS. What's inhumane is locking these people up so they have to live in gang groups, swap notes and become better criminals.
    I definitely agree about putting them to work. I think that sentencing nonviolent prisoners to community service or some other kind of work would be MUCH more successful than what we do now (provided that it was in place of, rather than in addition to, prison time). Prisons are breeding grounds for more crime, and there is a profound feeling of hopelessness among prisoners who believe (often correctly) that they'll never be able to change their ways and succeed in the world because they have no marketable skills. The way that we run our criminal justice system practically guarantees more crime and poverty.
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    Re: Should we bring back flogging in lieu of prison time?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A society can be judged on how well it treats its minorities and prisoners or criminals.
    Do we wish to fail ?
    Sadly, there are those of us who would see us regress.
    This I find disgusting !
    "Regress" implies that we've somehow made progress, by abandoning flogging in favor of cages and state-sanctioned rape.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    Flogging ?
    Ask the criminals, how do they feel about this ?
    Yes, let's ask them how they feel about this. At least give them the option if they're guilty of a nonviolent crime. And I bet that the vast majority would prefer to be flogged than to endure the conditions in our prisons. What does it say about our prisons if people would rather be flogged?
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