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Thread: National sovereignty

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    National sovereignty

    We live in a globalized world. But what about national sovereignty? Is it possible in geopolitics?


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    Re: National sovereignty

    Other nations are always going to meddle. That's just the nature of things. But the only real threat to national sovereignty on a global scale are multinational corporations.

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    Re: National sovereignty

    Wiki:
    Westphalia (1648), which, in relation to states, codified the basic principles:

    territorial integrity
    border inviolability
    supremacy of the state (rather than the Church)
    a sovereign is the supreme lawmaking authority within its jurisdiction.[

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    Re: National sovereignty

    My bad!

    I meant more like "independent" rather "sovereign".

    Could a NATO country be independent? How about an EU country? Third world country?

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    Re: National sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Other nations are always going to meddle. That's just the nature of things. But the only real threat to national sovereignty on a global scale are multinational corporations.
    When bodies outside of your country start to make economic decisions for your country I would call that more of a threat than any kind of company.

    I have to answer no, its not possible today.
    Last edited by Henrin; 06-17-11 at 08:33 PM.

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    Re: National sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    My bad!

    I meant more like "independent" rather "sovereign".

    Could a NATO country be independent? How about an EU country? Third world country?
    Unlikely, as I understand things.

    Hell, even the US is not independent, although it may be more so than some.

    But the economies of the various countries are so intertwined these days, it's unlikely a given country could become totally independent without causing harm to themselves and others.

    That said, third world countries would be less of an issue than, say, the UK.

    Especially those that produce nothing or very little.

    The larger and more affluent countries tend to import and export alot more, so...

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    Of course, that all depends on how you define "independent" in this case.
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    Re: National sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    My bad!

    I meant more like "independent" rather "sovereign".

    Could a NATO country be independent? How about an EU country? Third world country?
    The countries tha ar esolely dependent to theirselves suffer for it.

    It's not ideal in today's more advanced world.
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    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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    Re: National sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When bodies outside of your country start to make economic decisions for your country I would call that more of a threat than any kind of company.
    You mean like United Fruit?

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    Re: National sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You mean like United Fruit?
    While its actions are suspected to of caused damage to many Latin countries, its has never been proven to be responsible for any such damages. The company was however intertwined with many of those countries governments, and helped to support certain services of certain countries government. Also it was never a monopoly as it maintained competitors, though they weak in comparison, through its existence. I think you will be hard pressed in fact to find an actual monopoly that wasn't government assisted to exist, this company is not it and neither is oil. I would like to see your example though.

    Still, is it measurable to losing your ability to run your country by having another body outside of your control making laws you must follow? I don't think so.
    Last edited by Henrin; 06-17-11 at 10:43 PM.

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