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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    There is no definition for the enlightment here. The 'enlightment' might as well as be the truth of whether Kim-Jong-Il is actually mentally ill or not, or whether Osama Bin Laden was gay or not. If the 'enlightment' were these petty little facts and theories, then I certainly wouldn't want to die 5 seconds after I learned them. Now, if I actually get the meaning of 'enlightment', then maybe I can make a choice.
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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    As much as I hate to use a cliché, but 1/2 been there. In 1984 I had an NDE and OBE that lasted about 4 minutes and although I didn't gain complete enlightenment, I did come away with a renewed sense of a greater power beyond what we see here and now.

    I also went from a type A personality, to a type L Laid back. I'm still always "looking for a better way" or building a "better mouse trap"only now I won't tell at you for screwing up my schedule or nor paying attention.

    I also became much more spiritual

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Here's a question someone asked me today that I thought was pretty cool.

    If you could be granted complete enlightenment but you would have to die 5 seconds later, would you accept?

    If you don't know much about what enlightenment might look like, or you just don't care, then this poll might not matter much to you.
    Yes, I would! I'm about done here anyway.

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    No point in enlightenment if you can't share it.

    Only reason I'd accept was if I wanted to die anyway. Anything that kills you in under five seconds can't be all bad.

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    Absolutely. I could spend the rest of my life and never be fully enlightened.

    Why not just have it all now? Death would be completely worth it. In fact, my enlightenment would probably eliminate any fear of death because I'd know exactly what death was.
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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Here's a question someone asked me today that I thought was pretty cool.

    If you could be granted complete enlightenment but you would have to die 5 seconds later, would you accept?

    If you don't know much about what enlightenment might look like, or you just don't care, then this poll might not matter much to you.
    One of the most interesting questions I have had posed to me in a long time. I thank you for that.

    My answer is no, because upon dying I would cause harm to those who love me, and I would end my journey to make the world a better place prematurely.
    The question is not, "Can they reason?" nor, "Can they talk?" but rather, "Can they suffer?"

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That sounds like a crappy trade. What good is enlightenment if you are going to be dead five seconds later? It would be like winning a 100 million dollar lottery and you are a 110 years old and going to die before you can even collect a lump sum.
    It wouldn't though, because you couldn't spend the 100 million dollars in that time frame, while, presumably, with complete enlightenment, you could enjoy those 5 seconds.
    The question is not, "Can they reason?" nor, "Can they talk?" but rather, "Can they suffer?"

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    How long would it take me to process all that knowledge?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    Assuming the following:

    Said enlightenment is instantaneous.

    Said enlightenment fits the definition I’m thinking of, which would basically mean I would know and understand everything, like God is supposed to (assuming the existence of God, here).

    Said death is painless.

    Then my answer is: No.

    I would rather search for enlightenment than have it and die in 5 seconds.

    And besides, 5 seconds is way too short a period to get much of anything done.

    Perhaps blurt out the cure for cancer.

    Key theories for an infinite power source that uses no fuel.

    Minor stuff like that.

    Still no.
    Education.

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    Re: An Enlightened Choice

    No, I most definitely would not accept. I want to get there on my own, in my own time, in this life or the next, or the one after that. I'm really not in any rush.
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