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Thread: Future of US in NATO

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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    The current role for NATO for the US is purely geopolitical. Militarily Nato outside of the UK and France will never be able to supply much outside of soldiers on the ground. Germany could do more but is limited to a defensive role. Canada of course has too small a military to make much of an impact.

    As for the future of Nato, I think it will be rather limited. France and the UK will be making cuts to their military, (especially the UK) that will impact their ability to operate large distances from their boarders


    Overall without a real common threat and no a rag tag bunch of terrorists do not make for a significant common threat requiring hundreds of billions of dollars in military spending, the goals of the US and European nato members will diverge. Leaving the generally by itself to counter China (yes China) which is the main issue for the US military in the future.
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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    The problem with the US being in NATO is purely economic. We have always provided the bulk of military personnel, air support, and weaponry. That allows European nations to cut back on their military defense budgets and pour that money into their extensive social programs. Now that's fine, that's their choice. However, that choice should not be subsidized by America continuing to bear the brunt of NATO's budget exclusively on its back. We've subsidized the defense of Europe far too long. I say we get out of NATO completely.

    Edit: BTW, I'm kind of tired of all the partisian rhetoric centering on international issues. The economic consequences of decades of American subsidies to European defense is not a right versus left issue; it's an American issue, and last I checked both the right and the left consist of Americans.
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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The problem with the US being in NATO is purely economic. We have always provided the bulk of military personnel, air support, and weaponry. That allows European nations to cut back on their military defense budgets and pour that money into their extensive social programs. Now that's fine, that's their choice. However, that choice should not be subsidized by America continuing to bear the brunt of NATO's budget exclusively on its back. We've subsidized the defense of Europe far too long. I say we get out of NATO completely.

    Edit: BTW, I'm kind of tired of all the partisian rhetoric centering on international issues. The economic consequences of decades of American subsidies to European defense is not a right versus left issue; it's an American issue, and last I checked both the right and the left consist of Americans.
    Realistically the US is not defending Europe from any real threat anymore, not since the mid 90s when Russia went into a tailspin. The US could pull its entire military from Europe and Western Europe would still be safe. The Russian military is not capable of invading europe, and it required a massive amount of its ground forces to be able to handle Georgia, a country of a few million people with even worse equipment then what Russia has. Germany, France and Italy have enough men under arms, enough equipment to destroy any potential Russian invasion who would get stuck in Poland and be unable to advance. There is a reason why Russia is looking at buying more then a few European weapon systems/ships, that reason is that Russia has not been able to develop a brand new weapon system that has not been based on designs created in the Soviet times.


    Heck America could cut its military spending by 50% and still have US territory safe from foreign military attack. It would still be by far the worlds largest military spender even with a 50% cut
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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    I believe economic and political stability in Europe is in America's interest too, and NATO is necessary to protect it. NATO's role doesn't begin the moment there is a foreign invasion (maybe Europe could indeed defeat Russia in case of invasion, I don't know -- but think of the repercussions of such an attempt on the US too), but by its mere existence, it makes sure there is none.

    That said, I do believe the US should exert some pressure on the European NATO members to contribute more and to take more responsibility. Europe's military state is pathetic. We need a strong military on our own, instead of freeriding on US protection. But that's again partly a problem of us Europeans. We are not willing to create a strong united EU army, although IMO, that is one of the fields where a union really makes a lot of sense. I'd rather see a united EU military, than the EU regulating all kind of things which don't really need regulation.
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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    NATO has been a positive force during the Cold War and it's still important that it continue.

    I do think that when it comes to contributing it needs to be equatable.

    Our leadership has been the driving force up until now, but now that is in question because we have weak kneed Obama at the helm.

    So far I think he's doing things for political reasons, not for the hood of the people of other Countries. He's shown he is pro-Islam, and i think he's playing for votes.

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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    we are storngest in the world we dont need it obama wants to spend for his islamic european friends europe is islamic now you can call it eurarabia now they are islamic and let me tell you , i know some muslims , the muslims are real happy now because their leader is our president, thats why they havent attacked

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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    NATO is a "military alliance" made up of people who don't want to be our allies, and dont' have militaries.

    Let it Die.

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    Re: Future of US in NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by heckgunderson View Post
    we are storngest in the world we dont need it obama wants to spend for his islamic european friends europe is islamic now you can call it eurarabia now they are islamic and let me tell you , i know some muslims , the muslims are real happy now because their leader is our president, thats why they havent attacked
    Is this satire?
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