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    Religion in Politics

    I do not believe religion and politics have any business being mixed, yet during political debates (especially within the GOP), it seems that questions concerning religious faith (Christianity) are constantly brought up. What does the belief in Jesus, Muhammad, Zeus, Dionysus, Osiris, or any other theological being have to do with politics?

    Is there an issue when such a large part of the voting block is devoutly religious and votes based off of their beliefs?
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not believe religion and politics have any business being mixed, yet during political debates (especially within the GOP), it seems that questions concerning religious faith (Christianity) are constantly brought up. What does the belief in Jesus, Muhammad, Zeus, Dionysus, Osiris, or any other theological being have to do with politics?

    Is there an issue when such a large part of the voting block is devoutly religious and votes based off of their beliefs?
    For a Republican, belief in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour is a prerequisite in most cases. I believe Ron Paul breaks this mold, but him aside, most Republicans know that to appeal to the conservative base you must believe in a Christian God. And while you may not believe that religion and politics should be combined, many Republicans do not share this belief. To many, the USA is a Christian nation, founded on Christian ideals by Good Christian men.

    So is this an issue? You betcha, and it is why we have more than one party!
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    I'm non-religious, but I favor allowing segments of religious morality to be in public and political life.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    I really wish people could divorce their religion from politics, religion has nothing to do with it. But in this country it's a must. Atheists are the least electable group out there and if there were any real outward manifestations of atheism, they'd probably be one of the most discriminated groups as well. It's unfortunate that we can't just go by reason and rational thought alone.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I really wish people could divorce their religion from politics, religion has nothing to do with it. But in this country it's a must. Atheists are the least electable group out there and if there were any real outward manifestations of atheism, they'd probably be one of the most discriminated groups as well. It's unfortunate that we can't just go by reason and rational thought alone.
    Like that whole an atheist was elected in Ashville, NC and there was a law saying you had to be Christian to hold office?

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not believe religion and politics have any business being mixed, yet during political debates (especially within the GOP), it seems that questions concerning religious faith (Christianity) are constantly brought up. What does the belief in Jesus, Muhammad, Zeus, Dionysus, Osiris, or any other theological being have to do with politics?

    Is there an issue when such a large part of the voting block is devoutly religious and votes based off of their beliefs?
    Nope, no issue at all. I don't confine my religion to be just one small part of my life and I can rely on whatever I believe to inform my politics and political decisions. What's more, I can organize with others who agree with me and we can try to elect people who agree with us to advance legislation we like.

    Honestly, I love that that all bugs some people.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Nope, no issue at all. I don't confine my religion to be just one small part of my life and I can rely on whatever I believe to inform my politics and political decisions. What's more, I can organize with others who agree with me and we can try to elect people who agree with us to advance legislation we like.

    Honestly, I love that that all bugs some people.
    Perhaps I have just watched too many documentaries about religion in the past year, but I just find it disturbing how much it influences people's lives. The last one I watched quoted a poll that said around 20% of people believe the rapture will happen within the next 50 years and another 20% or so weren't sure. That means around 40%+ of the voting bloc believes the rapture may or may not happen within the next 50 years. Really?

    Combine that with the evangelical movement that has nearly unlimited funds, tax exempt status, and a long arm in politics, and it gets a little weird in my opinion. As I said on another thread, it is hard to debate with a person whose coup de grace is, "Well I'll be going to heaven and you're going to burn in the lake of fire". And while many do not say this aloud, if you are a devout Christian, that kind of stuff has to be constantly on your mind.

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    Also, if 40% of the people believe there may be a rapture soon, what motivation do these people have to do anything to fix the world? What do they care? It's probably going to end soon and then they get to go spend eternity enjoying bliss.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Religion is presented as a way of life, not a supplement to life. Religion is designed to answer for and provide for all scenarios, all aspects of life. One who practices within any faith is not one who can remove the tennants of their faith from what they feel is right, or best. I had a discussion recently and came to a conclusion. Many people of faith understand certain things to be right or wrong based on God's will for his people. When a situation arises in which another person is doing "wrong", Christian ideals are conflicting. God condemns suck action, but Jesus teaches us to be tolerant, to pray for those who would do "wrong". So a religious person must decide whether to tolerate and allow God to judge, or adhere to God's condemnation and likewise condemn the action. One course of action will limit salvation, but which course will do so is in question. Thus, a religious person makes the best decision they can. Whether the rest of us agree with it doesn't mean that the Christian takes it lightly, or doesn't care, or wants to force a belief.

    Ideally, if a conflict comes up, a religious person would be able to follow the path of tolerance, except in a situation of obvious negative result (i.e. the majority wants all murders to receive puppies..silly, but you get the point, I hope). In doing so, they would be justified in asking forgiveness from God for not condemning the action or issue at hand. I don't envy their conflict, but I also can't condemn them for it.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Like that whole an atheist was elected in Ashville, NC and there was a law saying you had to be Christian to hold office?
    I remember something of the sort, but if that were true the law could not be obeyed no matter what. The real problem is that when you start putting people into catagories and then refuse to support them based not on information which tells how that individual would perform in his job; but rather to his opinions and beliefs of completely unrealated material; we begin to divorce ourselves from reason and logic and that is never good in a system built upon the intelligent input and interaction of the People.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Religion is presented as a way of life, not a supplement to life. Religion is designed to answer for and provide for all scenarios, all aspects of life. One who practices within any faith is not one who can remove the tennants of their faith from what they feel is right, or best. I had a discussion recently and came to a conclusion. Many people of faith understand certain things to be right or wrong based on God's will for his people. When a situation arises in which another person is doing "wrong", Christian ideals are conflicting. God condemns suck action, but Jesus teaches us to be tolerant, to pray for those who would do "wrong". So a religious person must decide whether to tolerate and allow God to judge, or adhere to God's condemnation and likewise condemn the action. One course of action will limit salvation, but which course will do so is in question. Thus, a religious person makes the best decision they can. Whether the rest of us agree with it doesn't mean that the Christian takes it lightly, or doesn't care, or wants to force a belief.

    Ideally, if a conflict comes up, a religious person would be able to follow the path of tolerance, except in a situation of obvious negative result (i.e. the majority wants all murders to receive puppies..silly, but you get the point, I hope). In doing so, they would be justified in asking forgiveness from God for not condemning the action or issue at hand. I don't envy their conflict, but I also can't condemn them for it.
    Ideally, that's probably true. I know some devout Christians who are insanely tolerant and I know many who couldn't define tolerant (half of my family is Irish-Catholic). The word of God says that gays are abominations. If you believe in God, how can you vote for anyone that supports gay lifestyles? The word of God says worshiping false idols is a sin, how can any Christian truly other religions? If God created the heavens, the earth, animals, humans, etc, how could any Christian really want public schools to teach about evolution, the big bang, and other cutting-edge scientific discoveries?

    This list could go on to cover almost any topic. Until there is irrefutable proof that God is wrong, Christians will fight tooth and nail to suppress it (see Galileo).
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