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    Re: Religion in Politics

    I am deeply religious, and my religious beliefs do inform my political stance. It couldn't be otherwise; how can I divorce my sense of what is right and wrong from my sense of what my country needs?

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I could compare people who are Basketball fans to people who believe in a Breaded guy in the sky.
    "The Breaded Guy in the sky." The Pillsbury Doe Boy?
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, this really cool guy helped me with that understanding.
    Sounds to me like the really cool guy was lucky to be talking with someone willing to listen and consider what he was saying.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Perhaps I have just watched too many documentaries about religion in the past year,
    Perhaps you need to stay away from the documentary genre, or at least be more selective in viewing them. At times, though they make political arguments from time to time, the National Geographic-style documentary is rather impressive and is not incredibly laden in the, what I like to call..."shock and awe" strategy of other writers of documentary films.

    Religion can be an incredibly self-satisfying experience as well as a useful moral guide not just for individuals, but for communities as a whole. I never had the faith in mankind's ultimate ability to completely triumph over revelation through logic and reason. As such, that instinct of mine would argue that sometimes something else is needed in us to be better people, something higher.

    I may have said I am non-religious, but that's only to a certain degree. I have faith in the fact there is a God, I think I even have faith that Jesus was divine. I just have not had the personal experience necessary to really be considered that much of a spiritual follower. Nevertheless, I do hold credence to the idea that the very concept of God frightens me and has given me additional, if not more, reason to be better to my fellow man and live a good life.

    The other half of my reason for this is, I do not believe in shunning those who believe and are guided by their faith. To a certain extent, it is true, the rule of law over revelation to rule man. But, I do not believe in the doctrine of reason and logic alone should dictate rule of man, if for no other reason than reason and logic will have a difficult time ruling a man of faith by reason alone.
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I am deeply religious, and my religious beliefs do inform my political stance. It couldn't be otherwise; how can I divorce my sense of what is right and wrong from my sense of what my country needs?
    Be advised: YOU ARE NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT. You're supposed to say, "I only believe in whatever makes me popular with the nearest street-mob. I wanna be kewl."
    NOTICE: I am not a troll, because what I write I believe, and I have no intention of derailing threads or manipulating human nature. I am not a terrorist, because I do not endorse the killing of innocent people, and I am not here to promote violence. I AM HERE ONLY TO EXPRESS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND ENJOY LIVELY DISCUSSION.

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because both encompass a group identity. I could compare people who play video games to people who are black too. I could compare people who are Basketball fans to people who believe in a Breaded guy in the sky. I can compare individuals from California with Old people. I know you desperately want to prove me wrong by attempting to be as offensive as possible in belittling christians, hoping that I'll run off on some raving tangent rather than point out your obvious flaw. Sorry, not going to work, as I'm not really the religious sort.
    Blacks, basketball players, and gamers do not have a reference book that chooses their feelings towards others and decides their opinions for them. Blacks do not have an all-knowing black man that tells them, "You must vote against..." or "if this is not part of government then...".

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Groups of people that share some sort of commanality...be it race, religion, interest, gender, age, etc...identify easier on average with other people who share that commanality, no matter how much you wish to degrade said common factor.
    Again, I understand that there are voting blocs, but those are based off of feelings and identification - not based off of something a book tells them to do, a pope, or anything of that sort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No more than I'd find 80% or above believing we need to raise taxes because the Rich aren't "paying their fair share" or because the rich are "the Man" who need to be shown a lesso nor because "The Rich can afford it based on my own views of how much money they really need" or because Marxian philosophy says so or because they reasoned that such was the correct answer through using the socratic method.
    Really? So the use of absolutely no logic is fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, I did. A persons belief regarding the law are based on their own personal beliefs of what is important to them, what their morals are, and what their views of the world are. People can gain those things from a variety of sources from society, to religion, to science, to philosophers, and on. Unlike those who are so egotistical as to belittle those that dare to think differently then them, I don't feel that people should be insulted or our constitution shat upon simply because someones views are formed differently than my own.
    Who is ****ting on constitutions? You seem to be quite defensive, but I wonder if you get this defensive as Christians continue to insult the the very existence of others? Do you not call them egotistical when they protest and abuse the rights of homosexuals? Do you get sick to the stomach by the persecution and hatred of the Jews by Christians?

    I say I think the voting bloc of the Christians is a problem in this country and I'm ****ting on the Constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, not really. See, your big scarey boogey man slipper slope doesn't scare me, nor sway me, nor change my position. Should we get to a point that the majority in this country are athiests and they vote based purely on their athiest views and put forward laws and policies that are hazardous or uncomfortable for those of faith...but are constitutional...I'll have no issue with that from the stand point of where they get their belief from. I may have significant issues with the laws or actions they push...much as I have significant issues with many of those things pushed by staunch Christians...but not with WHY they push it.

    Unlike you, I don't like my prejudice and bigotry towards various groups override my beleif in the constitution and reasonable application of fairness across the board.
    Again, atheist don't have views. Atheists do not have a book that tells them what to do (a book written by man but claimed to be holy). It is not the issue of voting blocs that I am discussing, it is the issue of one particular voting bloc that gets its ideals from a book written by men thousands of years ago.

    Why is it okay for you to bring up the bias in other voting blocs, but when I bring up the bias in the religious bloc I am ****ting on constitutions and being egotistical? Anytime someone questions religion, this backlash always occurs and it doesn't bother me anymore.

    People can get mad if they want, but I am not impressed by their voting outdated ideals.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I am deeply religious, and my religious beliefs do inform my political stance. It couldn't be otherwise; how can I divorce my sense of what is right and wrong from my sense of what my country needs?
    I am very aware of this and it is exactly why I started this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Perhaps you need to stay away from the documentary genre, or at least be more selective in viewing them. At times, though they make political arguments from time to time, the National Geographic-style documentary is rather impressive and is not incredibly laden in the, what I like to call..."shock and awe" strategy of other writers of documentary films.

    Religion can be an incredibly self-satisfying experience as well as a useful moral guide not just for individuals, but for communities as a whole. I never had the faith in mankind's ultimate ability to completely triumph over revelation through logic and reason. As such, that instinct of mine would argue that sometimes something else is needed in us to be better people, something higher.

    I may have said I am non-religious, but that's only to a certain degree. I have faith in the fact there is a God, I think I even have faith that Jesus was divine. I just have not had the personal experience necessary to really be considered that much of a spiritual follower. Nevertheless, I do hold credence to the idea that the very concept of God frightens me and has given me additional, if not more, reason to be better to my fellow man and live a good life.

    The other half of my reason for this is, I do not believe in shunning those who believe and are guided by their faith. To a certain extent, it is true, the rule of law over revelation to rule man. But, I do not believe in the doctrine of reason and logic alone should dictate rule of man, if for no other reason than reason and logic will have a difficult time ruling a man of faith by reason alone.
    Why? Because I ask questions about religion and the effect it has on the nation? What did I do wrong other than ask if the religious right is negatively affecting the nation?
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not believe religion and politics have any business being mixed, yet during political debates (especially within the GOP), it seems that questions concerning religious faith (Christianity) are constantly brought up. What does the belief in Jesus, Muhammad, Zeus, Dionysus, Osiris, or any other theological being have to do with politics?

    Is there an issue when such a large part of the voting block is devoutly religious and votes based off of their beliefs?
    there are numerous issues in which our Faith and the guidance of God have fed our understanding of how society should be organized.

    the Civil Rights Movement, led by Reverend Martin Luther King Jr, for example.

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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there are numerous issues in which our Faith and the guidance of God have fed our understanding of how society should be organized.

    the Civil Rights Movement, led by Reverend Martin Luther King Jr, for example.
    Really? You're going to give credit for the civil rights movement to religion? There are lots of religious people out there, how can you tie the fact that he was a reverend to all of his noble works?
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    Re: Religion in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why? Because I ask questions about religion and the effect it has on the nation? What did I do wrong other than ask if the religious right is negatively affecting the nation?
    No, your post demonstrated not much of the sort, nor was I attempting to attack your other questions.

    Early Christians were convinced that the coming of Christ would happen within their lifetimes, and Christians throughout the history of the faith have had those tendencies to diminish the contributions of others not in-line with their perspective. Nevertheless, I would suggest it is a poor idea to suggest that because of those tendencies in some or many that religion is thus bad for individual, public, or political life. Again, it may be worth your while to step aside from the documentary market, which does perpetuate a "shock and awe" style meant to "wake you up" rather than think carefully, in order to come at religion a bit more carefully than rapture apocalypse politics.
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