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I want to see the President fail

I want to see President Obama fail

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BDBoop said:
How not? What this thread is about addresses exactly that issue. If he doesn't get the economy turned around. If he doesn't create more jobs. If he doesn't - - - - everything I keep reading that he's not doing, according to the people this thread is addressed to. If he doesn't, we will be a third world country. Therefore. If he fails, we do too.
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Why is this so difficult ? Why do you need to keep changing what we say ... instead of perhaps just pasting what we say !

This is not about what Obama says he "wants". It is about what he is doing. We believe that what he is doing makes America worse. We want him to fail in making America worse. :)
 
Centrist77 said:
Thank Betty I missed the word policies in the OP?
And I didnt imply anyone is rooting for failure of america what Im saying is I dont think people get that IF he fails we all fail.
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I don't agree with his policies, and I hope they don't see the light of day.
 
American said:
It's pure bull****.
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And this is pure deflection. So either address issues, or don't. It's your call. But don't pretend that you're calling something out when you post 3 word responses with no content nor evidence nor proof nor argument.
 
tessaesque said:
I don't think you get that your statement isn't necessarily true. Obama's personal failure as president isn't absolutely linked the country's success or failure.
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in the near future it is, he fails, lots of things get wasted and we fail. Of course that doesnt mean we fail forever but his failure is our failure because his goal is success for America.

You gonna answer my question? maybe you did and i dint get to it yet.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
This is not about what Obama says he "wants". It is about what he is doing. We believe that what he is doing makes America worse. We want him to fail in making America worse. :)
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But what's the alternative. Since Obama has been functionally doing the same as Bush, support of anything like Bush then means that one supports making America worse. What is the solution? Voting for the lesser of two evils? That just leaves us with evil. It's not just that what Obama wants is bad for the Republic. The institution of the Republocrats and their goals are bad for the Republic. And the sooner we can wake up to this fact, the sooner we can set forth trying to correct it. But if we just bog down in this hyperpartisan bull**** where we refuse to honestly look at the system or think about the consequences of our actions; we will do nothing to better the Republic.

We are not that shining city on the hill anymore. We aren't the beacon to the world of what freedom and liberty can be, the example of what a Republic built on the integrity of being free can accomplish. I want to get back there. But the Republocrats are not the path to achieve this.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Again, that is absurd. This is not about whether you agree with those of us who feel that the direction that Obama wants to take the country is wrong. This is about your inability to understand that some of us actually believe Obama is just plain wrong.



And that's all you got. Saying that people who think like me would have kept us in the dark ages.

Ad-hominem BS. :roll:
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His failure equals Americas failure, plain and simple
i never said that "I" think the direction he is going is right, im saying that no matter the direction his GOAL is my GOAL.
Success for america and Ill always root for that, ALWAYS
 
American said:
I don't agree with his policies, and I hope they don't see the light of day.
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Fine by me I share that opinion on some government policies.

I still hope anything he or the government implements WORKS, thats just common sense
 
lpast said:
Boop in all fairness in my opinion the left was far worse during the bush years...they appeared to want us to lose the wars just to make bush look bad, they have blamed bush for everything imaginable. In my estimation Obama has been a worse president than bush by far and he has been treated much better by the media.
Obama' success's have been very few and quite unmemorable, Obamacare was the fuel for the teaparty and the beginning of the end of Democrat control of the house. Obama overall has failed us miserably.
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I don't doubt it. I just wasn't here to see it. But what is gained by committing the same idiocies 'they' did? It's like "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" all the live long day. No changes, no improvements, no suggestions, nothing but (for the most part) people showing their ass and acting like that's normal. And I'm talking about in here, the media, and the elected representatives. It's a freaking sideshow of epic proportions, and I'm well past tired of it.
 
BDBoop said:
I don't doubt it. I just wasn't here to see it. But what is gained by committing the same idiocies 'they' did? It's like "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" all the live long day. No changes, no improvements, no suggestions, nothing but (for the most part) people showing their ass and acting like that's normal. And I'm talking about in here, the media, and the elected representatives. It's a freaking sideshow of epic proportions, and I'm well past tired of it.
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What you just said above couldn't be more true for quite a few people. Its a piss poor excuse that is part of the problem and not part of the solution. To many morons think like this and they think they are helping when they ARE the problem, its sad really.

Good Post
 
Ikari said:
But what's the alternative. Since Obama has been functionally doing the same as Bush, support of anything like Bush then means that one supports making America worse. What is the solution? Voting for the lesser of two evils? That just leaves us with evil. It's not just that what Obama wants is bad for the Republic. The institution of the Republocrats and their goals are bad for the Republic. And the sooner we can wake up to this fact, the sooner we can set forth trying to correct it. But if we just bog down in this hyperpartisan bull**** where we refuse to honestly look at the system or think about the consequences of our actions; we will do nothing to better the Republic.

We are not that shining city on the hill anymore. We aren't the beacon to the world of what freedom and liberty can be, the example of what a Republic built on the integrity of being free can accomplish. I want to get back there. But the Republocrats are not the path to achieve this.
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Andrew Bacevich was most interesting when he addressed the continuity of administrations in relation to the American Empire. This is a nearly inescapable reality of politics. There are far more agreements than disagreements within administrations, but that is not also to downplay the disagreements or perhaps the validity of the agreements.

As I understand your view of Winthrop, you subscribe most heartily to his last sentence, "The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world." You already believe God has turned his hand from us, whereas I do not.
 
Centrist77 said:
His failure equals Americas failure, plain and simple
i never said that "I" think the direction he is going is right, im saying that no matter the direction his GOAL is my GOAL.
Success for america and Ill always root for that, ALWAYS
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i think it's quite obvious doesn't want "success" for america, in regards to it's constitutional definitions.
maybe bush didn't either, but that's not the point. barry soetoro spent his formative childhood years educated in
countries with little love for america. his basic roots are anti-American. this separates him from the "internationalism"
of george bush and the destruction of the nation caused by "selling our birthright" out from under us.
with obama, it's more diabolical.
if your goals are the same as obama's? then you're a traitor yourself.
 
lewstherin said:
i think it's quite obvious doesn't want "success" for america, in regards to it's constitutional definitions.
maybe bush didn't either, but that's not the point. barry soetoro spent his formative childhood years educated in
countries with little love for america. his basic roots are anti-American. this separates him from the "internationalism"
of george bush and the destruction of the nation caused by "selling our birthright" out from under us.
with obama, it's more diabolical.
if your goals are the same as obama's? then you're a traitor yourself.
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conspiracy section is a little lower.
 
BDBoop said:
I don't doubt it. I just wasn't here to see it. But what is gained by committing the same idiocies 'they' did? It's like "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" all the live long day. No changes, no improvements, no suggestions, nothing but (for the most part) people showing their ass and acting like that's normal. And I'm talking about in here, the media, and the elected representatives. It's a freaking sideshow of epic proportions, and I'm well past tired of it.
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Welcome to my world. When you start to see the actions of both sides, the direction it takes the Republic, the Press and how it reports on the government, and the blind partisan bickering which gets us no where; you begin to see the system on the whole. It's easy to get caught up in the "nuh uh" "yeah huh" stuff and to rally against one side supporting the other. But if you can honestly view the system for what it is and see the whole of the dynamics it becomes increasingly infuriating. The system is still broken, government is still expanding, the wars are still proliferated, the markets become dominated by the same few companies and economic mobility are continously racheted down, debt expands, government power against the people does too. It hasn't mattered who is in charge, the D or the R; the same thing happens time and time against. What's the definition of insanity again?

The truth is that the R and the D represent the status quo, and they support the status quo, and they will proliferate the status quo. There is no way to change the status quo by supporting the status quo. People have become well to enamored with the R vs. D fight. It wasn't meant to be that. It's supposed to be The People vs. The Government.
 
lewstherin said:
yeah. this isn't about ufo's, though. this is actually happening.
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Yep I totally believe that all the people that voted for obama and or support his policies are traitors, Im with you brotha!:aliens2:
 
Ikari said:
But what's the alternative. Since Obama has been functionally doing the same as Bush, support of anything like Bush then means that one supports making America worse. What is the solution? Voting for the lesser of two evils? That just leaves us with evil. It's not just that what Obama wants is bad for the Republic. The institution of the Republocrats and their goals are bad for the Republic. And the sooner we can wake up to this fact, the sooner we can set forth trying to correct it. But if we just bog down in this hyperpartisan bull**** where we refuse to honestly look at the system or think about the consequences of our actions; we will do nothing to better the Republic.

We are not that shining city on the hill anymore. We aren't the beacon to the world of what freedom and liberty can be, the example of what a Republic built on the integrity of being free can accomplish. I want to get back there. But the Republocrats are not the path to achieve this.
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No, he is not doing the same as Bush. He also faced some different problems than Bush.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
No, he is not doing the same as Bush. He also faced some different problems than Bush.
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What have we really gotten which was different? A healthcare plan which is a give away to the insurance companies? Not too much different that Bush's give away to the pharmaceutical companies. What else? Ever expanding wars? That's not different. GITMO? Nope, not different there either. Patriot Act? Military Commissions Act? Real ID Act? Pandering to banks and corporations? What's different?
 
Centrist77 said:
His failure equals Americas failure, plain and simple
i never said that "I" think the direction he is going is right, im saying that no matter the direction his GOAL is my GOAL.
Success for america and Ill always root for that, ALWAYS
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We both want America to succeed, I do believe. The question is how one gets there. More specifically, the policies Obama has implemented, and still hopes to implement.

The opinion of many is that the path Obama has chosen is the wrong one. We become worse with each further step he takes on it. We want his progress any further to be halted, lest we get even worse than we are now.
 
Ikari said:
What have we really gotten which was different? A healthcare plan which is a give away to the insurance companies? Not too much different that Bush's give away to the pharmaceutical companies. What else? Ever expanding wars? That's not different. GITMO? Nope, not different there either. Patriot Act? Military Commissions Act? Real ID Act? Pandering to banks and corporations? What's different?
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Sorry, but that is a topic much discussed in other threads, and I will not make the herculean effort to repost all here.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
We both want America to succeed, I do believe. The question is how one gets there. More specifically, the policies Obama has implemented, and still hopes to implement.

The opinion of many is that the path Obama has chosen is the wrong one. We become worse with each further step he takes on it. We want his progress any further to be halted, lest we get even worse than we are now.
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Which is your opinion and NOT the same as wanting him to fail, they are TOTALLY different. Why would anybody care what path he takes if it gets success?

no one is knocking your opinion of his PATH, thats fine by me. I dont like everything in his path, thats for sure but im still NEVER going to root against him, ever.

Now mind you, that doesnt mean I support ever bill, policy etc, I DO NOT. What it means is if the bill/policy passes I hope and want it to work even though I dont think it will. In no way what so ever do I want it to fail, I hope my opinion of it being bad is WRONG so America WINS.
 
How can I help Obama fail? How...................?
 
BDBoop said:
So many of you do. You are in here crowing every day about how he's just been nothing but a total loser ever since he took office. He's stupid. He only got educated because of affirmative action. Every day America is in more and more trouble, and you couldn't be happier.

It's almost like you don't care that America is the cost. As long as HE fails, that's all that matters.
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Who are these people you speak of?? :lamo
 
Zyphlin said:
Guess I don't have half a brain then.

I wanted him to fail at getting universal health care. I wanted him to fail at getting cap and trade. I wanted him to fail at getting a second "Stimulus" bill. I wanted him to fail at ending the Bush Tax Cuts. I wanted him to fail at trying KSM in NY.

There's times I definitely wanted him to succeed as well. And there were times where I didn't feel strongly about the negative impact of his actions that indeed I HOPED he succeeded even though I was leery, such as in the ways he chose to engage Egypt. But you're damn right if there were times I absolutely wanted this President to fail, and if that gives me half a brain so be it.

By the way, I wanted Bush to fail as well. I wanted him to fail at putting a restriction of rights into the constitution. I wanted him to fail at furthering government influence into our schools. I wanted him to fail at passing stimulus. I wanted him to fail with "comprehensive" immigration reform. Somehow, wanting HIM to fail on those things never really seemed to piss off liberals. Funny that.
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Wanting policies to fail and wanting the President to fail are two different things.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wanting policies to fail and wanting the President to fail are two different things.
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But the end result is that our nation continues to be stuck in a bad place.
 
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