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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    wrong. wanting obama to fail means wanting the country to succeed.
    How does wanting a President to fail support success? That makes no sense. If he succeeds the nation wins. If you don't like him vote against him but wishing failure on a President is hoping the nation fails. That is a dumb position to take.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    obviously...it's an open border policy. the states are legislating what is no more than the already established federal law, and his admin is suing these states
    for enforcing federal law. obviously....he doesn't agree with the federal immigration laws, or the states wouldn't feel the need to force the issue at state level.
    Is this to say that Bush had closed borders?
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    When one actually makes the effort? It's really not all that difficult.
    perhaps for you. but as an ideologue (one who emphasizes the importance of ideology - of intellectual structure), it's hard not to emphasize that there is one set of assumptions that consistently produces semi-accurate predictions and another set of assumptions that consistently produces exceedingly inaccurate predictions.

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    How does wanting a President to fail support success? That makes no sense. If he succeeds the nation wins. If you don't like him vote against him but wishing failure on a President is hoping the nation fails. That is a dumb position to take.
    if the President wants to detonate nuclear bombs over every major city in America in the hopes that the radiation will give us all super powers - do you hope that he fails, or succeeds in his effort to fire those missiles?

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    It doesn't quite work, considering the reason I think he's failed is because he isn't nearly socialist enough.
    then the weight of economic history is against you. socialist governments as a rule do not produce wealth, recovery, and a thriving market for their people.

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    So many of you do. You are in here crowing every day about how he's just been nothing but a total loser ever since he took office. He's stupid. He only got educated because of affirmative action. Every day America is in more and more trouble, and you couldn't be happier.

    It's almost like you don't care that America is the cost. As long as HE fails, that's all that matters.
    It depends on what you mean by success. In other words, are you talking about success in achieving the means or the ends? For example, with healthcare, the end is getting adequate healthcare to every citizen and the means is universal healthcare. It would make sense for a Republican to want the means to fail because they don't think universal healthcare is the smartest way to get to the end. However, it would be dumb for a Republican to want the end to fail because that means they care more about getting their own way and their ego than improving the country.

    I think there is a desire for failure among many from both perspectives - some people don't/didn't want him to succeed in getting the means (universal healthcare, repeal DADT, bailouts, etc) because they think/thought they would fail at achieving ends that both parties desire. This desire to fail isn't a big deal to me because many people genuinely believe his policies (his means of achieving ends) will hurt the country.

    That said, I also think that a lot of people don't want him to achieve the ends either. For example, they would prefer that the economy fails rather than improve under Obama - this is the success I assume your talking about. For these people, if Obama succeeds in improving the economy, if the troops are positively or neutrally affected by the repeal of DADT and if healthcare saves lives and doesn't destroy the economy, then their hypotheses about how to help the country are proven wrong. As a result, Obama's success in reaching positive ends (in improving the country) hurt both their ego and their conservative dream for the world. It's clear how it hurts their ego and the way it hurts the conservative dream is by making liberal policies trustworthy to much of the country. If liberal policies work, then the conservative ideal United States drifts farther away.

    I think this latter desire for failure is pretty apparent on this board and in other places, particularly in what seems to be a very alarmist mentality among many conservatives. From what many of them say, you would think we're still in the recession or that no new jobs have been added since Obama took office or even that we're two days away from total collapse.

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Shame on anybody that wants our POTUS to Fail! Shame Shame Shame Do you understand wanting him to fail means you want our country and our military to fail too? Disgusting
    It doesn't mean that at all. Wanting Obama's agenda to fail because you believe the agenda is bad for the country doesn't mean you want the country and military to fail. It means you want to preserve them against his agenda. There is a distinct separation between a President's ideology, and the country's best interest and military prowess. One does not necessary encourage or support the other.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It doesn't mean that at all. Wanting Obama's agenda to fail because you believe the agenda is bad for the country doesn't mean you want the country and military to fail. It means you want to preserve them against his agenda. There is a distinct separation between a President's ideology, and the country's best interest and military prowess. One does not necessary encourage or support the other.
    What I think Kali and others are pointing to is people who want Obama to fail in doing what he believes his policies will do - help the country. I don't think they're talking about people who think his policies will hurt the country, I think they're talking about people who don't want his policies to help the country (i.e. they want his policies to fail at improving the economy, etc.).

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What I think Kali and others are pointing to is people who want Obama to fail in doing what he believes his policies will do - help the country. I don't think they're talking about people who think his policies will hurt the country, I think they're talking about people who don't want his policies to help the country (i.e. they want his policies to fail at improving the economy, etc.).
    That isn't why we want him to fail or even how we want him to fail. We want the country to succeed, but we feel his policies don't promote that outcome. If we felt that they would, we would encourage them.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    I want him to succeed at turning this economy around. I want him to succeed at getting us out of this recession. I'm tired of people gloating (yes, gloating) because unemployment is still up and there are no jobs, and they lay it all at his feet and gloat.

    THAT'S what this thread is about. Not picking and choosing whether or not he's 'your guy' based on what he attempts to accomplish.

    I also wonder how those in the military can do this **** on a daily basis. I get freedom of speech, and I'll say it again. It's the absurd happiness and continuing potshots on a daily basis that lead me to believe that no matter how you slice it, you want Obama to fail and you are happy to see him do so and you can't wait to run your ass back here Every. Single. Time you find something that makes him look bad, so you can post it.

    And if that's not how you act? Then I'm not talking to you.

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