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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But what's the alternative. Since Obama has been functionally doing the same as Bush, support of anything like Bush then means that one supports making America worse. What is the solution? Voting for the lesser of two evils? That just leaves us with evil. It's not just that what Obama wants is bad for the Republic. The institution of the Republocrats and their goals are bad for the Republic. And the sooner we can wake up to this fact, the sooner we can set forth trying to correct it. But if we just bog down in this hyperpartisan bull**** where we refuse to honestly look at the system or think about the consequences of our actions; we will do nothing to better the Republic.

    We are not that shining city on the hill anymore. We aren't the beacon to the world of what freedom and liberty can be, the example of what a Republic built on the integrity of being free can accomplish. I want to get back there. But the Republocrats are not the path to achieve this.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    His failure equals Americas failure, plain and simple
    i never said that "I" think the direction he is going is right, im saying that no matter the direction his GOAL is my GOAL.
    Success for america and Ill always root for that, ALWAYS
    i think it's quite obvious doesn't want "success" for america, in regards to it's constitutional definitions.
    maybe bush didn't either, but that's not the point. barry soetoro spent his formative childhood years educated in
    countries with little love for america. his basic roots are anti-American. this separates him from the "internationalism"
    of george bush and the destruction of the nation caused by "selling our birthright" out from under us.
    with obama, it's more diabolical.
    if your goals are the same as obama's? then you're a traitor yourself.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    i think it's quite obvious doesn't want "success" for america, in regards to it's constitutional definitions.
    maybe bush didn't either, but that's not the point. barry soetoro spent his formative childhood years educated in
    countries with little love for america. his basic roots are anti-American. this separates him from the "internationalism"
    of george bush and the destruction of the nation caused by "selling our birthright" out from under us.
    with obama, it's more diabolical.
    if your goals are the same as obama's? then you're a traitor yourself.
    conspiracy section is a little lower.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    conspiracy section is a little lower.
    yeah. this isn't about ufo's, though. this is actually happening.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I don't doubt it. I just wasn't here to see it. But what is gained by committing the same idiocies 'they' did? It's like "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" all the live long day. No changes, no improvements, no suggestions, nothing but (for the most part) people showing their ass and acting like that's normal. And I'm talking about in here, the media, and the elected representatives. It's a freaking sideshow of epic proportions, and I'm well past tired of it.
    Welcome to my world. When you start to see the actions of both sides, the direction it takes the Republic, the Press and how it reports on the government, and the blind partisan bickering which gets us no where; you begin to see the system on the whole. It's easy to get caught up in the "nuh uh" "yeah huh" stuff and to rally against one side supporting the other. But if you can honestly view the system for what it is and see the whole of the dynamics it becomes increasingly infuriating. The system is still broken, government is still expanding, the wars are still proliferated, the markets become dominated by the same few companies and economic mobility are continously racheted down, debt expands, government power against the people does too. It hasn't mattered who is in charge, the D or the R; the same thing happens time and time against. What's the definition of insanity again?

    The truth is that the R and the D represent the status quo, and they support the status quo, and they will proliferate the status quo. There is no way to change the status quo by supporting the status quo. People have become well to enamored with the R vs. D fight. It wasn't meant to be that. It's supposed to be The People vs. The Government.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    yeah. this isn't about ufo's, though. this is actually happening.
    Yep I totally believe that all the people that voted for obama and or support his policies are traitors, Im with you brotha!
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But what's the alternative. Since Obama has been functionally doing the same as Bush, support of anything like Bush then means that one supports making America worse. What is the solution? Voting for the lesser of two evils? That just leaves us with evil. It's not just that what Obama wants is bad for the Republic. The institution of the Republocrats and their goals are bad for the Republic. And the sooner we can wake up to this fact, the sooner we can set forth trying to correct it. But if we just bog down in this hyperpartisan bull**** where we refuse to honestly look at the system or think about the consequences of our actions; we will do nothing to better the Republic.

    We are not that shining city on the hill anymore. We aren't the beacon to the world of what freedom and liberty can be, the example of what a Republic built on the integrity of being free can accomplish. I want to get back there. But the Republocrats are not the path to achieve this.
    No, he is not doing the same as Bush. He also faced some different problems than Bush.

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No, he is not doing the same as Bush. He also faced some different problems than Bush.
    What have we really gotten which was different? A healthcare plan which is a give away to the insurance companies? Not too much different that Bush's give away to the pharmaceutical companies. What else? Ever expanding wars? That's not different. GITMO? Nope, not different there either. Patriot Act? Military Commissions Act? Real ID Act? Pandering to banks and corporations? What's different?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    His failure equals Americas failure, plain and simple
    i never said that "I" think the direction he is going is right, im saying that no matter the direction his GOAL is my GOAL.
    Success for america and Ill always root for that, ALWAYS
    We both want America to succeed, I do believe. The question is how one gets there. More specifically, the policies Obama has implemented, and still hopes to implement.

    The opinion of many is that the path Obama has chosen is the wrong one. We become worse with each further step he takes on it. We want his progress any further to be halted, lest we get even worse than we are now.

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What have we really gotten which was different? A healthcare plan which is a give away to the insurance companies? Not too much different that Bush's give away to the pharmaceutical companies. What else? Ever expanding wars? That's not different. GITMO? Nope, not different there either. Patriot Act? Military Commissions Act? Real ID Act? Pandering to banks and corporations? What's different?
    Sorry, but that is a topic much discussed in other threads, and I will not make the herculean effort to repost all here.

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