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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can call it whatever it wants, your dismissal does not change reality. The Republic has been in trouble for quite some time and neither the R's nor the D's have done anything to right it. It's all measured and recorded. As I said, the blind partisans don't like it. It's easier to bitch about the other side than to analyze your own.
    I pretty well straddle the line and have been critical of both sides. That said, you make blanket statements attacking parties (primarily the right) and never back it up. Instead, you just scream "it's a fact, look it up, buy a dictionary...blah blah blah". Show us how your continued slew of insults (and very little other contribution) are based on "facts". Provide us with that information. Otherwise it's just a bitter opinion.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    You've been in this arena a long time then, sir? Online political?
    No, it's a common argument in at the very least American politics, historically.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can happen, it will require a lot of work. It necessarily revolves around the breaking of the one-party system we have adopted in politics as to allow true political competition. Competition is always good, it drives innovation; but we've stiffled ours and have stagnated. Stagnation is slow death. The point at which the return to proper government can only be solved by revolution, we are going to be in a heap of trouble. But we're moving towards it, and the Republocrats are pushing it.
    What are we moving toward? Revolution, or that which will require a lot of work?

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think any conservative would mostly agree with that. So just because Republicans aren't achieving everyone of those, doesn't mean that their supporters don't want those things.
    No, the real problem, IMO, is that your party doesn't move in that direction. When was the last time the GOP decreased government significantly? I think a lot of conservatives may want what I want, but you have to endorse the party which will really do it. And currently, the Republocrats are for the status quo, and you won't change the status quo by supporting the status quo. It's impossible.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can happen, it will require a lot of work. It necessarily revolves around the breaking of the one-party system we have adopted in politics as to allow true political competition. Competition is always good, it drives innovation; but we've stiffled ours and have stagnated. Stagnation is slow death. The point at which the return to proper government can only be solved by revolution, we are going to be in a heap of trouble. But we're moving towards it, and the Republocrats are pushing it.
    Hyperbole.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    What are we moving toward? Revolution, or that which will require a lot of work?
    We're moving towards the death of the Republic. I would hope that people could take off the partisan blinders long enough to take a look around and understand the mess we're in. I'd much rather go the "lot of work" route than the revolution route (which would also be a lot of work I suppose). If we're going to control the government like we're supposed to, then we're going to have to do our job and be honest in our assessment of government and its policies and laws; particularly on matters in which the growth of government conflicts with our rights and liberties.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hyperbole.
    Deflection.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think we all know what the context of the OP is. It's not about rooting for failure of America, it's about policies (and by association he who promotes them).
    Thank Betty I missed the word policies in the OP?
    And I didnt imply anyone is rooting for failure of america what Im saying is I dont think people get that IF he fails we all fail.
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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I pretty well straddle the line and have been critical of both sides. That said, you make blanket statements attacking parties (primarily the right) and never back it up. Instead, you just scream "it's a fact, look it up, buy a dictionary...blah blah blah". Show us how your continued slew of insults (and very little other contribution) are based on "facts". Provide us with that information. Otherwise it's just a bitter opinion.
    How do you not pay attention to the course of government? Particularly when it acts improperly? I do not primarily attack the right, it's just that what you able left and right I see as functionally equivalent given their actions. Whether it's Medicade Part D's gift to the pharmaceutical companies, Obama's health care gift to the insurance companies, both Clinton's and Bush's play to the banks allowing oligopoly and later removing the restrictions on their leverage, etc. It's all serving the same set of people. Both sides endorsed the interventionist wars we had no part in doing. Both have run the wars with the intellect of a rock. Both have expanded the wars in the region. Both engage in propaganda such as "you have to support the President because...". What is the real difference and how has the main party served the Republic in any positive means as of late?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: I want to see the President fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Thank Betty I missed the word policies in the OP?
    And I didnt imply anyone is rooting for failure of america what Im saying is I dont think people get that IF he fails we all fail.
    I don't think you get that your statement isn't necessarily true. Obama's personal failure as president isn't absolutely linked the country's success or failure.
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