View Poll Results: Which poison would you pick?

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Thread: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    What do you base such conjecture on, Khayembii Communique?
    What conjecture? We certainly have the potential to do so now; it is just not done because it goes against the laws of the capitalist system. Artificial scarcity exists because it is embedded in the capitalist system itself. However the economic basis for socialism is already in place.

    Employ the unemployed, reduce working hours, redirect resources away from profit-driven motives to need-based motives and there you go, didn't even have to go into any socialist mumbo jumbo about how a post-revolutionary economy would run.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Socialism puts a country on the road to poverty because it kills incentive and when you can get it free why work just to hive your money to someone who doesn't

    Communism is the same except you get to add tyranny to the mix.

    Neither of these systems have ever worked as long as Capitalism has here. In fact no system has worked as well and been as prosperous.

    Our current problems are do to the mismanagement of a few made worse by an amateur in the White House.

    People who have voted for Socialism don't know history or don't care about failing.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Human nature, my friend. Human nature.
    I always find it depressing when conservatives (or really anyone, but it always seems to be conservatives who do this) argue so passionately that humans are, by our nature, selfish, evil beings who cannot rise above our baser instincts. We can, and we do, continually. Human nature is gregarious. We live in tribes and clans, and always have. It is only a matter of realizing that all the world (or at least all the country, in this case) is part of the same tribe.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Socialism puts a country on the road to poverty because it kills incentive and when you can get it free why work just to hive your money to someone who doesn't
    Fundamentally, that's not how socialism works. You don't get it for free. How many times must this be repeated to you? Everyone works, and everyone benefits from that work. And unlike in a capitalist system, you don't need to shop around to find work, because the system would benefit from finding you work, instead of calling you selfish and lazy for not finding it yourself. Socialism doesn't even require that everyone would be compensated equally, just that everyone would receive the means to their necessities before others can have decadence. And we certainly have the means to make that happen.

    If you're going to bash a system, please at least try to understand it first.

    Also, people do a lot of things without the motivation of rewards. Great inventors worked tirelessly for a love of science. Preachers preach out of faith, not greed. Doctors (most of them, at least) just want to help people and save lives. For every money-obsessed corporate lawyer, I will raise you a dozen public defenders who barely make enough to live on and do nothing but help those who are unable to help themselves.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    My poison would be: Pseudo Communism & Working Capitalism...
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    One way would be to take the strategy of The Venus Project. Wait for our financial system to completely crash, which it will, and use that opportunity to introduce the ideas of The Venus Project. If you haven't already, you should probably browse through that website. They even have programmers on their team working on the various computer programs they will need for their society at this present time. Basically, they are devoting their professional lives to a world better for human civilization as a whole.

    Another way is by force. Maybe something happens and the population decide to take matters in their own hands and use the second amendment to its full potential. Overthrow the people in power, and then start implementing the ideas of The Venus Project.

    Or somebody in The Venus Project obtains a seat in power, and slowly moves civilization towards that direction.

    The Venus Project literally has a lot of it already thought out. What they need is the resources to back it up. Before you start throwing arguments back at me, I would actually suggest reading what The Venus Project has already done and thought out.
    OMG, I'm literally laughing my ass off....I read the website and their plan is to build a building, produce a movie and then build a theme park to educate the masses. I mean you can't make this shtick up. That's just too funny. Oh my.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    ksu_aviator is under the incredibly naive opinion that good choices provide rewards and bad ones negative consequences. Anyone that has lived in the real world for a short while knows this is not the case, so there really isn't any point debating him on this matter, as he is clearly divorced from reality.

    The only way you can come to any other conclusion is if you believe everyone is a victim of their circumstances. Even if that was the case, I would rather make a good choice with bad consequences than have the government make a bad choice with good consequences. I choose freedom over socialism.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I am often puzzled by the fact that so many of the passionate critics of socialism have such a poor understanding of it.
    Or...maybe....they have a good understanding of it and don't think it to be utopia.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Mixed economy. Avoid the worst elements of both capitalism and socialism.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison."

    You may think him wrong, but he does have a point.
    Should resources be distributed based on need or by ability?

    That question exemplifies the fools errand that is choosing between communism and capitalism.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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