View Poll Results: Which poison would you pick?

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Thread: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It doesn't matter what I say, you choose not to see the difference. I said it before, and I stand by it: " Life is full of choices, rewards and consequences. Take away the consequences, the rewards and choices loose all meaning. Take the meaning from choices and rewards and freedom is lost. Without freedom, what's the point of life? To serve a government? I'd rather live and fail than live and serve."
    You still refuse to address my point. If you can't show how there's a difference in reality, there's no reason for me to think it exists outside your mind.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    One way would be to take the strategy of The Venus Project. Wait for our financial system to completely crash, which it will, and use that opportunity to introduce the ideas of The Venus Project. If you haven't already, you should probably browse through that website. They even have programmers on their team working on the various computer programs they will need for their society at this present time. Basically, they are devoting their professional lives to a world better for human civilization as a whole.

    Another way is by force. Maybe something happens and the population decide to take matters in their own hands and use the second amendment to its full potential. Overthrow the people in power, and then start implementing the ideas of The Venus Project.

    Or somebody in The Venus Project obtains a seat in power, and slowly moves civilization towards that direction.

    The Venus Project literally has a lot of it already thought out. What they need is the resources to back it up. Before you start throwing arguments back at me, I would actually suggest reading what The Venus Project has already done and thought out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If you had to live under any of these three ideologies, which would it be? This question I've been wondering ever since I read a quote in Viktyr Korimir's sig.

    Supposedly communism has killed many.

    Supposedly capitalism has killed many.

    And, supposedly, socialism has killed many.

    What is the better option? Do you know of a better ideology that won't have any blood splattered onto it?

    Are any of these options even worth being considered?

    As to Communism and Capitalism, as a quote from, if I recall, Viktyr Korimir:

    "Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison."

    You may think him wrong, but he does have a point.
    Capitalism - because it gives you more opportunity. Socialism puts you into a box, and you're not allowed to get rich. Socialism robs you of your ambition and freedom. It's oppressive.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    ksu_aviator is under the incredibly naive opinion that good choices provide rewards and bad ones negative consequences. Anyone that has lived in the real world for a short while knows this is not the case, so there really isn't any point debating him on this matter, as he is clearly divorced from reality.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Why do you say I am divorced from reality?

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Why do you say I am divorced from reality?
    I said ksu_aviator, not you, though The Venus Project is incredibly silly:

    Wait for our financial system to completely crash, which it will, and use that opportunity to introduce the ideas of The Venus Project.
    This isn't how revolutions happen.

    Another way is by force. Maybe something happens and the population decide to take matters in their own hands and use the second amendment to its full potential. Overthrow the people in power, and then start implementing the ideas of The Venus Project.
    The only viable program for a revolutionary movement is socialism, not some quasi-technocratic muck like The Venus Project.

    Or somebody in The Venus Project obtains a seat in power, and slowly moves civilization towards that direction.
    Capitalism cannot be overthrown by the ballot box.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    My apologies about the misunderstanding.

    I disagree. But I will leave it at that, as I want to start debating other topics.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Vastly. Vastly different.
    You know the result is the same.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    LOL...oh this ought to be good...how?
    It's really easy. Just stop making things about personal profit. If the rewards of industry and progress didn't pour into the pockets of the few wealthiest among us (those who least need it) and went back into benefiting society as a whole... The most exceptional individuals can still attain greatness, they just can't screw everyone else in order to do it. Imagine that, a system where cheating, lying, and stealing actually weren't the best means to get ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's really easy. Just stop making things about personal profit. If the rewards of industry and progress didn't pour into the pockets of the few wealthiest among us (those who least need it) and went back into benefiting society as a whole... The most exceptional individuals can still attain greatness, they just can't screw everyone else in order to do it. Imagine that, a system where cheating, lying, and stealing actually weren't the best means to get ahead.
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