View Poll Results: Which poison would you pick?

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm a capitalist-communist.
    That always makes me laugh and I don't know why.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    That always makes me laugh and I don't know why.
    Me too, but I know precisely why. Good one!
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator
    The only way you can come to any other conclusion is if you believe everyone is a victim of their circumstances.
    It's actually a mix of both. If I make the conscious decision to jump off a cliff then obviously my decision determined the outcome. If someone pushes me off then obviously it did not. You cannot apparently understand that even if someone makes a good decision, that bad consequences can still follow, and that bad consequences can follow completely independent of any decision I make. Bad things happen to good people and it has nothing to do with the decisions they make.

    Your entire belief system would be undermined by such a basic fact of life.

    Even if that was the case, I would rather make a good choice with bad consequences than have the government make a bad choice with good consequences. I choose freedom over socialism.
    This statement doesn't even mean anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar
    If everyone shares something, then no one cares about it. It's the same reason why rental car customers almost never go to the car wash.
    This isn't true at all whatsoever. I can name a ton of things off the top of my head which are community-based that thrive because of that very basis. Every single example you gave was absolutely terrible because out of those examples not a single one of them gives sole responsibility to the community first off and second off shared responsibility only works in light of a feeling of responsibility for that particular space/action/thing/whatever.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    A true, free market society. Not the corporatism we have now.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Feel free to join any number of African tribes and villages if you believe this to be true. Ignore the average lifespan and AIDS rates - that's just capitalist propaganda.

    People are not equal. The people who say otherwise are the ones on the losing side of average.
    You do realize this is in a "perfect world" right. Do you guys read the first post where i said i know this will probably never happen in my life.. Right?


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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    A true, free market society. Not the corporatism we have now.
    You do realize that a true, unregulated free market will always devolve into corporatism, right? Monopolies naturally form in an unregulated market, which then dominate the economy and eventually the government as well.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    And you guys do realize, there is no point to regulating a free market system, it is just delaying the inevitable. Self profit no matter the cost does not care about regulations. It is sort of like rationing a heroin addict heroin. Eventually, the heroin addict will do whatever it takes to get more heroin, even if it means his or her death.

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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    You do realize that a true, unregulated free market will always devolve into corporatism, right? Monopolies naturally form in an unregulated market, which then dominate the economy and eventually the government as well.
    Wrong. Monopolies are not natural aspects of the free market The vast majority of monopolies were granted monopoly status by the state. Can you name examples of natural monopolies?

    Corporatism is an example of government propping up businesses with welfare. It is not a result of the free market, it is a result of government.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This isn't true at all whatsoever. I can name a ton of things off the top of my head which are community-based that thrive because of that very basis.
    I'm not saying there aren't any examples of things like that, I'm saying that there are plenty of things that DON'T thrive when they're community-based. Some things work reasonably well when shared, others don't. This is why communism is idealistic and can never work in practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique
    Every single example you gave was absolutely terrible because out of those examples not a single one of them gives sole responsibility to the community first off and second off shared responsibility only works in light of a feeling of responsibility for that particular space/action/thing/whatever.
    A "feeling of responsibility" doesn't scale very well to groups of people larger than families, let alone nation-states. If everyone jointly owns something, then no one is responsible for it and everyone is entitled to help themselves to as much of it as they want. Nations that have tried planned economies received a harsh lesson in this. If, say, everyone in a certain area jointly owns some farmland, what is the incentive for me personally to pull my weight and contribute to the harvest? What is the incentive for me personally to make sure that everyone has enough food if I'd rather gorge myself? And what is the incentive for ANY of us to make sure that the farm operates in an environmentally sustainable manner?

    The answer to all three questions is that there is no incentive. And that's the problem that many communist countries faced with food shortages. It's also one of the reasons that many African nations today are far less productive with their farmland than they could be.
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    Re: Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Wrong. Monopolies are not natural aspects of the free market The vast majority of monopolies were granted monopoly status by the state. Can you name examples of natural monopolies?

    Corporatism is an example of government propping up businesses with welfare. It is not a result of the free market, it is a result of government.
    Standard Oil, US Steel, JP Morgan and Co, etc etc. The only reason they lost their monopoly status was because the state split them, and now monopolies are illegal. You remove the antitrust laws and they'll come right back within a decade. And corporatism is when the government becomes a tool of the corporations. It involves the government, but it starts with the corporations. It's obviously not a free market anymore, but a free market will naturally evolve into it unless you stop it with regulation.
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